"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is this what C + F is?

MoBo

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I read a little bit about C + F and I think that is how I am naturally, only I mainly only do it around my friends, I've never really been like that with girls, I have before but not always. I decided to try out what I think it was at my work with some new chicks there that are pretty good looking.

Her: Oh crap, I can't find a rag.
Me: Here, let me play you a sad song on the worlds smallest violion ( I know cliche, hehe)
Her: Yeah, small violion *small chuckle*.
Me: Hold on though its gonna take me a while to find it, though.
Her: *ROFL*
____________________________

She was folding pizza boxes...
Her: Am I doing this right? (While she is standing doing it)
This guy at my work that hits on her a lot was going over and trying to be nice about it and explain, like a nub.
Me: Well most people put them on the tables when they fold them, but if you can keep doing it that way, if you want to look dumb. (Something like that)
Her: *laughing* *playfully hits me*
Other guy: *pissed look that the girl is ignoring him, lol*


Is that kinda stuff what C + F is?



-MoBo
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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What is a good book that can enlighten me further on C + F? Is the double your dating thing the one that talks about it?



-MoBo
 

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C+F is actually a not very good thing to do, but some say it is. i suggest u read a few posts about it to make ur decision.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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It is only effective when done properly, I got to say, that joke is MUCH more funny than ****y. In fact, I do not see how there is any ****y in there lol.
 

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The first is just a joke. The second is a c+f/neg hit. You're ****y because you're pretty much telling her she's doing it wrong, and it's a neg because you said she was dumb.

Both were good, just don't do too many of #1 (or #2, really) otherwise you'll just be the funny friend.
 

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hahha first one was good humor is always good. C&f is good too...just don't OVER DO IT. because people start to disregard your comments then.

funny is good...funny is always good haha ahaha small violin
 

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the first sucked, for me, but i liked your second one...

Mr. fingers articles is what really taught me what c&f is all about.. with all the girls i like c&f worked on all of em, Caution tho, if youre good looking and u use c&f u make come of as an arrogant prick,
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Boss in my experience.. and most prolly among others. Women like JERKS, not arrogant pricks.. there is a difference..like being an ******* in a positive way where they have no choice but to laugh, just like Mr. fingers says. The challenge part of being arrogant is what they like about arrogance but it doesnt mean they like the arrogance. if you be a jerk, NOT an *******, you still have the challenges the arrogant guy has.. only, girls like you more...

An arrogant guy would insult a girl while a jerk would neg hit her..

just my opinion
 

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Crazy Asian said:
C+F is actually a not very good thing to do, but some say it is. i suggest u read a few posts about it to make ur decision.

Crazy asian you are one crazy mutha...:box: well then could you provide other ways, perhaps your Tao of ancient women courting secrets of an alternative of attracting a girl? Its doesnt work ALL THE time because of the simple fact that women have diff tastes.. But to say it is not a very good thing to do could be directed to lack of understanding. Maybe you dont do it properly or you dont study the girl and her personality on whether or not it will work on her or if it blends with her.. you get what i mean?

I dont know if you noticed.. assuming you.ve all watched the old fantastic four movie (it sucked) Check out human torch and the way he deals with women. You think if he had the personality of the stretching guy would he still be attracting all those girls? i think NOT :down:
 

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dacanay said:
Crazy asian you are one crazy mutha...:box: well then could you provide other ways, perhaps your Tao of ancient women courting secrets of an alternative of attracting a girl? Its doesnt work ALL THE time because of the simple fact that women have diff tastes.. But to say it is not a very good thing to do could be directed to lack of understanding. Maybe you dont do it properly or you dont study the girl and her personality on whether or not it will work on her or if it blends with her.. you get what i mean?

I dont know if you noticed.. assuming you.ve all watched the old fantastic four movie (it sucked) Check out human torch and the way he deals with women. You think if he had the personality of the stretching guy would he still be attracting all those girls? i think NOT :down:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28690

here is a post that explains why, and i'm not saying that it's bad, but just saying that some can pull it off and some can't
 

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EXACTLY, thats the same thing the guy is saying in that post you showed me.. Just like i said above that if youre a good looking guy it might now work properly on you. If you are a shy guy, and you suddenly crack a C&f line, it might work against you like "where did that come from" So yea.. I guess most people think about it as a technique other than a mindset or an attitude. C&F is in the "charm" area
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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MoBo said:
I read a little bit about C + F and I think that is how I am naturally, only I mainly only do it around my friends, I've never really been like that with girls, I have before but not always. I decided to try out what I think it was at my work with some new chicks there that are pretty good looking.

Her: Oh crap, I can't find a rag.
Me: Here, let me play you a sad song on the worlds smallest violion ( I know cliche, hehe)
Her: Yeah, small violion *small chuckle*.
Me: Hold on though its gonna take me a while to find it, though.
Her: *ROFL*
____________________________

She was folding pizza boxes...
Her: Am I doing this right? (While she is standing doing it)
This guy at my work that hits on her a lot was going over and trying to be nice about it and explain, like a nub.
Me: Well most people put them on the tables when they fold them, but if you can keep doing it that way, if you want to look dumb. (Something like that)
Her: *laughing* *playfully hits me*
Other guy: *pissed look that the girl is ignoring him, lol*


Is that kinda stuff what C + F is?



-MoBo
nice stuff you have put together there
 
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