"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Is this risking losing frame

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For the second date I just wanna say come round watch movies, but she might know what that means and say she'd sooner go out...

I would obv sooner go out than not see her at all but does pitching the movie at mine date then backing down lose frame too much?

Cos if so I will play it safe and just go out with her before suggesting back to mine.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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So you want to **** her, but you don't want to let her know that you want sex????? Lol
 

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Jesus fvcking christ.

Invite her to your place to watch a movie and chill. She will know what's up. If she wants sex she'll come, if not she won't and you won't have to waste your time with her again.
 

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No. I don't want her to think ALL I want is sex. (even if i do, but in this case I'm not fussed, I can get it from other sloots)

and lol if you think the only way to let her know you want sex is by inviting her over.

This site is full of people who only want to smash. No wonder it's full of sad lonely middle aged men. Nexting girls for not wanting to come round and **** on date 2 is pathetic.
 

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Comatozed said:
No. I don't want her to think ALL I want is sex. (even if i do)

and lol if you think the only way to let her know you want sex is by inviting her over.
Where did I say any of that?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You didn't. That was at dhoul.

Last line at nexting a girl for not wanting to come over and **** so easily was at you. It's refreshing to find a girl that will make you wait once in a while.
 

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Ha-ha wtf are u doing on this forum if you don’t want to be able to fvck a chick by the second date

I can assure you that if you haven’t at least attempted to fvck her by the second date then you are on a one way ticket to freindzoneville pal

Who the fvck cares what she thinks you’re a man and she’s a woman you are designed to slide your c0ck inside her vagina as quickly as possible

Its mindsets like “oh fvck i dont want her to think im using her for sex” are whats destroying the game and giving women egos the size of planets
 

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So, just ask her then. In fact don't ask. Tell. You should have some idea of her attitude to such things.
 

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I feel like this has original question has been over looked.

All I was asking is saying come round but then back tracking a big loss of frame, or is it no big deal.

No one is saying I won't smash her on date 2. I likely will. But there's really no harm in going for a few drinks first so as to get to know her a bit and if that's what it takes, I don't mind that.

What I don't want to do is lose frame.

@TMK - end of last date we made out for a bit in quiet section of a bar but she didn't want to come back to mine. I will likely go out and try to get her back the second time, rather than just be like 'come over' and then have to backtrack and supplicate if/when she says she would rather go out again.
 

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Comatozed said:
I feel like this has original question has been over looked.

All I was asking is saying come round but then back tracking a big loss of frame, or is it no big deal.

No one is saying I won't smash her on date 2. I likely will. But there's really no harm in going for a few drinks first so as to get to know her a bit and if that's what it takes, I don't mind that.

What I don't want to do is lose frame.

@TMK - end of last date we made out for a bit in quiet section of a bar but she didn't want to come back to mine. I will likely go out and try to get her back the second time, rather than just be like 'come over' and then have to backtrack and supplicate if/when she says she would rather go out again.
If she didn't want to come round after the first date, what makes you think she has now changed her mind? Save yourself the hassle and just go out. For a lot of chicks, a second date indoors is unlikely and to be honest if you're genuinely trying to maintain interest and not just going for the plough, then a movie date-second date is a BAD idea.

To maintain frame, the only course of action upon her rejection is to await her counter-offer. Save yourself the hassle of backtracking and just go out and ask her back again afterwards. The movies can wait man.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Comatozed said:
I feel like this has original question has been over looked.

All I was asking is saying come round but then back tracking a big loss of frame, or is it no big deal.
Yes it would be a big loss of frame and you'd look like a püssy if you backtrack.

You have two options:
1) Take her to a bar close to your place then go back to yours to fück her afterwards.
2) Invite her straight over.

These days I would go for option 2. I'm not going to waste time at a bar with a girl several times before escalating to sex. You can frame it that you're tired of going out but happy to chill and watch a movie at your place "come join me".
 

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Comatozed said:
No. I don't want her to think ALL I want is sex. (even if i do, but in this case I'm not fussed, I can get it from other sloots)

and lol if you think the only way to let her know you want sex is by inviting her over.

This site is full of people who only want to smash. No wonder it's full of sad lonely middle aged men. Nexting girls for not wanting to come round and **** on date 2 is pathetic.
You said you wanted sex. If you don't want sex than don't go for sex. If you do want sex than beating around the bush until some angel whispers "now" in your head is pointless and trivial.
 

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Makes sense @ TMK!

Guys on here think you have to be all about sex ASAP (like a few hours matters to me) and want to next any girl that won't **** them instantly cos they're the prize and all girls should be lucky to get the chance to **** them.

There's a lot to be said for being a chill guy and not appearing like a sex hungry pest. She will know I want to **** her for how I behave on the date.

Okay, some good discussion all round. I know what I'm gonna do.
 

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Comatozed said:
Makes sense!

Guys on here think you have to be all about sex ASAP (like a few hours matters to me) and want to next any girl that won't **** them instantly cos they're the prize and all girls should be lucky to get the chance to **** them.

There's a lot to be said for being a chill guy and not appearing like a sex hungry pest. She will know I want to **** her for how I behave on the date.
Ya, I agree with you. Some posters on here hate women's games, but play games themselves. Essentially, they are hypocrites lol.
 

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Comatozed said:
Makes sense!

Guys on here think you have to be all about sex ASAP (like a few hours matters to me) and want to next any girl that won't **** them instantly cos they're the prize and all girls should be lucky to get the chance to **** them.

There's a lot to be said for being a chill guy and not appearing like a sex hungry pest. She will know I want to **** her for how I behave on the date.
Says the guy who wants to invite a girl home for sex.

:crazy:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Some people want to bang, some people want more. In an ideal world the forum might be split in two: 'The Bang Forum' and 'The Bang+ Forum'. But to be quite frank, I really couldn't, metaphorically speaking, give fewer f*cks.
 

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lmao this is don jaun forum

not a "i wonder how she will feel if i say this or that" forum

a DJ will not give a flying fvck wether some random plate dosent want to come over to bang

invite her over and let her choose if she wants sex either way you dont care

because as soon as you start caring with women the s*it hits the fan

end of story
 

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My plan is merely to maximize my chances of ****ing her on more than one occasion, and of course we consider how she will react/feel to our actions, that's the whole point of this forum..how to make women feel a certain way about you...
 

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Just bait her and attack when you get the chance lol.
 

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I think this is all a matter of categorization.

Girls you want to f^ck becasue its more fun and challenging than porn.
F^ck ASAP or next.

Girls that you see a greater value in because they seem to be humans that laugh and make you laugh and bring something more to the table than a moist hole.
Enjoy her traits and wait to F^ck a little longer if need be.

The unicorn. A girl who is hot but doesnt know it and is well rounded and sane.
Does not exsist. So do whatever the hell you want.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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