"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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is this neg too strong?

TheFlyingMan

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Neg hits are a part of my personality now, but I think I might overdo it. It's funny as hell for me when I say some things, but I don't know if it's having the right effect. Now obviously I change my negs to suit how much rapport we have, etc. And she doesn't have a major bad reaction, but she doesn't really laugh, although I do.

How's this one - we were at a mall, she stopped and saw a dress and asked me "hey how's that one?". I said you need tits to wear that one. I continued stuff like that the whole night and I was laughing my ass off inside, but now that I think about it I might have gone too far.

I might have destroyed her self esteem completely or made her trip out with me hell. How can I salvage it?
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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TheFlyingMan said:
I said you need tits to wear that one.
Thats not a neg, thats a flat out insult. A neg is a compliment but in a negative way. Mystery's famous nail neg is a perfect example, "Nice nails, are they real? OH, well...they're still nice." The compliment being the nice nails part, the are they real part being the negative.
 

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jesus man. Whats wrong with u ? You don't flat out insult somebody. Thats not a neg at all. You're not supposed to neg things u think a girl might be insecure about.
 

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I think this guy's got the wrong end of the stick.

Neg/Neg Hit
A negative remark towards a girl designed to break her indifference to you by showing her that you are indifferent to her beauty (or other striking features). Not an insult, that would be bad. More like "Those are interesting nails - are they real?" or "It's really cute how your nose wiggles when you talk - look, there it goes again! <chuckle>". No more than 2 negs on an average HB (7-9/7-9), a maximum of 3 on a super HB (10/10). Negs are pretty much a necessity for 10s or strippers (whether they're 10s or not - simply because they are in an environment which is conducive to them thinking they are 10s).
The idea is not to be cruel, what you said was downright rude and insulting, and probably the reason why only you were laughing. I'm surprised she stuck around to hear the other insults you hit her with.

:down:
 

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when i read that i couldn't stop laughing because it was so insulting. i can't believe you insulted her flat chestedness. i agree w/everyone else that it was mean.

i never joke about physical appearance w/anybody, it's just too sensitive.

i think what u did was the equivalent of a woman laughing about how small ur penis is when she sees it for the first time.

im not trying to be mean, but that was a funny post.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Wo dude! That is some insult!

Women are naturally very sensetive about their looks! Telling them to their face that a certain outfit doesn't suit them because they have not tits, is like saying to a guy "you d!ck is too small for that condom"

I have to agree, it was funny though. Reminds me of a time my friend went up to a HB9.5 with a major attitude problem:

DJ: Excuse me (with a polite smile) do you think you are pretty?
HB9.5: ummmm well...... yeh...
DJ: NO YOU'RE NOT! YOU'RE FVCKING UGLY!!!:cuss:
 

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That was not a neg.....as Everyone has said. It didnt compliment. You wont be able to salvage with that girl i think. Unless she really likes you in which case she may of hung herself.

You can play a neg with a girls outfit thow. You do need to complement thow.

I recently said to a girl "Wow...you look stunning tonight. Pity about the cheap outfit you have come out in." She agreed it wasnt her best. I told her i didnt mind. I said i would wait until it was off later.

Worked a charm :up:
 

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ok yea i guess i took it too far
thought it was funny though, still learning this stuff, thanks for the responses!
 

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Yo man... that sh!t ain't even funny.
Just straight up mean.

Bottom line... a DJ loves women.
 

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TheFlyingMan said:
Neg hits are a part of my personality now, but I think I might overdo it. It's funny as hell for me when I say some things, but I don't know if it's having the right effect. Now obviously I change my negs to suit how much rapport we have, etc. And she doesn't have a major bad reaction, but she doesn't really laugh, although I do.

How's this one - we were at a mall, she stopped and saw a dress and asked me "hey how's that one?". I said you need tits to wear that one. I continued stuff like that the whole night and I was laughing my ass off inside, but now that I think about it I might have gone too far.

I might have destroyed her self esteem completely or made her trip out with me hell. How can I salvage it?
You cannot salvage that.

Insulting a woman is only going to breed resentment. It is also going to make you look as a man that other women should avoid.

How would you think she would have reacted if somebody would have overheard you and later said to her (perhaps when you were not paying attention)?: "Hey...I don't know what your friend over there saw...but you actually looked great in that dress. I'm sure you will turn a lot of heads if you wear it."

See how easy is to get another man's woman attention? Especially if that man is a COMPLETE arse?

I have a 12 year old son. I am currently teaching him how to be a gentleman (opening doors for his sister, etc.). I am also teaching him that now that I don't live with his mother...he has a duty and that duty is to protect both; his sister and mother. Eventually, I will teach him (via example - or the way I behave) how to be charming. And when he is older...and he experiences heart breaks...and ask me for advice...then I will teach him how to identify the "game" and how to get woman attracted to him (he is actually a very good looking kid).

My point? I can tell that a lot of you have ZERO idea on how a woman should be treated. You don't understand how to be a gentleman. How to be romantic. How to be desireable. And at the same time, how to be masculine and in control of your life. If you lack that understanding...then the "DJ" stuff will never work (no matter how much you read in books or websites).
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again; most guys should apply for a license to use neg-hits. They have no idea why they are used and I feel that they just use it because it's easier to be an @ss-hole than to work on building a real personality. :woo:

Guys need to ask themselves before they say another stupid @ss neg-hit line "What has this woman/girl done to deserve this neg hit?" Is she stuck on herself? Does she put down others? Is she your everyday b1tch? Then she may deserve a neg-hit.

I don't get it with guys saying this sh1t to women with low self esteem or general "good girls" and feel that DJs would do something like this while sarging any woman. Time after time these guys come back wondering if they've overdone it. DUH!!! :kick:

Guys, get a clue, do some work on yourself and your personality!
[rant=/off]
 

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LMFAO! if you have enough rapport to cal her on her tits and not get an angry response than your good. If you could keep going with it and not get a "don't test my patience" look than your good. If she didn't stop asking you for opinions, and giving you opportunities and started to shy away and won't talk to you anymore, than your good.

I don't understand why a bunch of guys from Sosuave claim you can't salvage this. That was hilarious, even my friends agree with me. Instant messenger rocks:) I got two responses from two different girls (HBtinytits)"I say that to myself all the time" and (HBFatboobies)"My boobs are big enough for every shirt"

Go back and read Fash's message to you.
Telling them to their face that a certain outfit doesn't suit them because they have not tits, is like saying to a guy "you d!ck is too small for that condom"
Tell me you can't think of anything C+F for that;)

PS I forgot to say, that wasn't a neg-hit, that was C+F. neg-hits aren't supposed to bring out laughter.
 

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HAHA I love that. Don't even feel bad about it. Do girls feel bad when they reject your ass or put you in the friend zone? If you can still hit them skins after that remark YOU ARE DA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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TheFlyingMan

Take a look in my signature, i recently wrote a tip on neg hits.
There's a link in my signature to the tip. Its good advice.

three12.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I don't know...I once called a girl fat(who wasnt fat at all, I was just being a douche) and that made her interest in me skyrocket. Bear in mind, I did say it was completely in jest and was just messing around but damn did it make her want to seek my approval. It's still her favorite memory of us
 

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OK i think this is getting out of hand, attacking my character and so on...

like I said I never do stuff like this without enough rapport, and we still hang out all the time...

what resentment? I'm not some total retard who would do this if she's some insecure woman...maybe I didn't give enough detail, I gave her a nickname hot legs and never call her by anything else right from the start...etc etc...I mix it in with a lot of compliments and gentlemanly behaviour...just that one particular comment I felt I might have gone too far. All the rest she laughed along and hit me back.

I am just pushing things a little, and sometimes I go a little bit too far. You don't understand the rapport we had. Maybe that's my fault I didn't give enough detail, but I was just looking for feedback.
 

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Here is an example of a neg I did on a chick that I met at a youth group thing and then we started talking on myspace after she added me since she looked up my name. (She's about an HB 8-9)

This is a convo we had on AIM today actually... This is not the exact wording, but it's the best I can remember!

Me: You know, when we first met it was totally obvious you were checkin me out of the corner of your eye! I mean I don't blame ya, but next time don't be so obvious!
Her: haha, what can I say, you're a purty guy
Her: in a good way of course.
Me: So you were checkin me out the first night! I knew it! You have the hots for me!
Her: haha, you must've been lookin too, to notice me!
Me: maybe I was!
Her: lol

But dude, that was cruel what you did to that chick you were with! lol! I mean it's funny if you're dissing someone, but if I were the chick I'd deffinitely be pissed off!
 

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The way i understand "neg" hits,even though i don't use them is as this.You give a girl a "common" compliment and then you mix it up a little.Eg

To a girl wearing really sharp high heels "Wow those are some very nice shoes,i have a pair of knives just like them". Point is that she "knows" they're very sharp(as in can cut you not as in "expensive") but you have to say that to her,because probably noone said it. Another ex: "Nice leather jacket!,how many cows did it take to make it?", "Nice earrings! my 9 y/o niece has a pair just like them" (this one used to girls wearing plastic huge loop earrings not expensive ones).
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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