"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DJArlington said:
And I will tell you that the women my friends married never SPINNED plates and fu#! multiple men at the same time. My friends would have never had anything to do with the girl I was with.
Let's face it, some did, some didn't. Even if they did, they wouldn't admit it to you and your friends, who are probably as judgemental and subscribe to a double standard just they way you do.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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My friends current wives seriously did not spin plates. I know all the stories / situations. I was present when most of my friends met their girls. I don't have a single friend whose slept with over 5 women. They never wanted to spin plates, they just wanted to find the one, the right woman for them. I don't like to spin plates personally, but date around yes. Look I can't fault her for anything she did before me and after me, it's just that she recently hurt me because she's been saying she's still in love with me and I was thinking about getting back with her etc. She would send me cards saying I was her soulmate etc. I mean some of the nicest things you could say to a person. I even have text messages saying that I'm the love of her life etc. Yet all the while for the past few months she's been banging someone else. Fine what she did isn't wrong and it's my fault for letting the situation drag on, but what i'm saying is that I should NOT be surprised that she is banging someone. In this situation, I was a big AFC. At the end of the day I got rid of her way long ago, but I got possessive over a f#!! buddy.
 

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jafyk said:
Well, this is 2008 and women are doing a lot of things that men do. While I think it's ok to date many women at the same time unless you've decided to be exclusive with one. I think if it's ok for guys to spin plates it must be ok for women to do so. It is this type of hypocrisy that might have helped in creating feminism. So, to the original poster if you can't handle this girl's situation then leave but don't judge her if you're doing the same thing yourelf or are not in an exclusive relationship with her.
This is a bunch of nonsense. Women have been spinning plates probably since ever. The thing is women's version of spinning plates is not having multiple concurrent sex partners and it's not the same men's as version of plate spinning. It's not hypocrisy at all to say women and men are different.

A lot of men spin plates because the women aren't LTR material. In the OP's case it didn't seem like he wanted to spin plates so much as he was involved with a woman who was deceptive about her own plate spinning, their male-version of it. You alsways have an excuse for women. I'm starting to think you are a woman.
 

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ketostix said:
This is a bunch of nonsense. Women have been spinning plates probably since ever. The thing is women's version of spinning plates is not having multiple concurrent sex partners and it's not the same men's as version of plate spinning. It's not hypocrisy at all to say women and men are different.

A lot of men spin plates because the women aren't LTR material. In the OP's case it didn't seem like he wanted to spin plates so much as he was involved with a woman who was deceptive about her own plate spinning, their male-version of it. You alsways have an excuse for women. I'm starting to think you are a woman.
Ha your very funny I'm a woman? I have a sense of fairness is all I can say. I'm not on women's side with many things. Personally, I think it's best for each gender to F one person at a time instead of spinning plates. However, I do see that spinning plates helps against one-itis and also helps you to get to discover various traits of women and in the allows you to be clear on what you want in a woman. Assuming the guy in question is looking for the "one". I understand spinning plates as dating (with/without the sex) am I right? How many women do you know would consider men who spin plates LTR material? lol. I just watched dream girls for the 2nd time and I can understand how women can hate men because of men like Jamie Fox's character in the movie. I think in some part the way we've treated women is why it's hard to find a worthy LTR material. We are not totally to blame.
 

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jafyk said:
I just watched dream girls for the 2nd time and I can understand how women can hate men because of men like Jamie Fox's character in the movie. I think in some part the way we've treated women is why it's hard to find a worthy LTR material. We are not totally to blame.

I still say you got it backwards. Women actually hate men that have no plates more than the ones who are spinning plates. And women spin plates all the more when they're pedastalized, so if you're a guy and you're not having sex with her then you're nothing more than one of her plates. It's totally a woman's responsibility if she's not LTR material, not anyone else's. There's plenty of men looking for the one and a LTR. How's that working for most of these guys?

I think in some part the way we've treated women is why it's hard to find a worthy LTR material. We are not totally to blame.
When you said we aren't totally to blame, was that a slip up that you're a woman too or what?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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ketostix said:
I still say you got it backwards. Women actually hate men that have no plates more than the ones who are spinning plates. And women spin plates all the more when they're pedastalized, so if you're a guy and you're not having sex with her then you're nothing more than one of her plates. It's totally a woman's responsibility if she's not LTR material, not anyone else's. There's plenty of men looking for the one and a LTR. How's that working for most of these guys?



When you said we aren't totally to blame, was that a slip up that you're a woman too or what?
It's not a slip up my funny man. I'm saying there's many factors to the way women act men are responsible in part for it. Just as some of the behaviors men have towards women were caused by the women. E.g a nice guy who becomes a jerk towards women, just to get them.
 
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