Is there a regional difference in men?

[Darth]

Having lived in several areas of the country, I'm noticing a trend as far as how many "AFC's" are around depending on what area it is.

Culturally...

My observation is: the average guy in the MIDWEST region is cool and manly (i.e. not an AFC).

The average guy on the east or west coasts is WIMPY (AFC).

The average guy in the SOUTH is friendly, and it seems like a mix of wimpy and manly men.

Does anyone else notice this trend?

 

[zekko]

I have no idea if you are right or wrong.
But I live in the Midwest, where you say there are very few AFCs.

If this is true, it could explain why I have always thought that people on this forum were overstating how many AFCs were out there. Because I have always thought that the average guy I know is a lot better off than how guys here want to portray them. As you say, most guys I know are cool and manly, at least to some extent.

 

[blueline]

the greatest proportion of men in any given area can be best described as AFC.

 

[zekko]

the greatest proportion of men in any given area can be best described as AFC

How do you know this?
Have you lived everywhere?
What gives guys on this forum the right to judge men they don't even know anyway?
Of all the guys I know, there are some chumps, but most of them are not.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Yes, OP, I would agree with you.

Unfortunately, cultural sophistication breeds wimpiness and lack of security in one's convictions. The east or west coaster is continually overstimulated with media and social pressure questioning who he is and what his motives are.

In the Midwest it seems that traits of manhood are less questioned, but I'm sure that men there have still been softened and feminized over the years, just to a lesser extent.

"Planet South" is a whole other situation which I can only observe and not comment on since I've never been there. What I see on TV and movies does seem to support your observation about the south, and I have to figure that those stereotypes exist for a reason.

 

[theunflushables]

I swear, posts on SS are becoming more and more retarded.

Yes there are going to be more AFCs on the coasts, but there are also going to be more PUAs/DJs/Alphas/whatever you want to call them, because there are more people living there than in the midwest.

The fact is there are going to be AFCs everywhere. Remember, the A in AFC stands for Average.

And no, cultural sophistication does not cause men to be AFC. Give me concrete proof that it does and I will give everything up and become a freaking cave man.

P.S. Having lived all of my life in the midwest, I've seen more AFCs than PUAs/DJs/Alphas/etc. Men of our breed are rare no matter where you go.

 

[zekko]

Remember, the A in AFC stands for Average.

Yeah, but the C stands for Chump. AFC does not necessarily stand for "Average Man" (that would be AM). I'm sure many would argue that the average man IS a chump. But I would say there is a lot of variation among men - some are chumps and some aren't. When I think of AFCs, I think of more the Gamma and Omega men than Betas.
You think the average guy has never heard that you are supposed to be confident with women (for example)? I've heard that all my life, long before I ever came here.

Having lived all of my life in the midwest, I've seen more AFCs than PUAs/DJs/Alphas/etc

There may be more AFCs than Alphas, but my point is that most guys have a mix of AFC and DJ tendencies. I would not label them as AFC or Alpha. They're just people.

And surely you're not trying to suggest that if you aren't a PUA, then that makes you an AFC?

That's my problem with this whole concept. You don't line up a bunch of guys and everybody gets a label stuck on them, either AFC or DJ and no in between. That's way too black and white for me.

 

[Darth]

P.S. Having lived all of my life in the midwest, I've seen more AFCs than PUAs/DJs/Alphas/etc.

That's fine, but have you ever lived on the east coast? Your frame of reference is not taking other areas into account.

There are very few people in the midwest who act like the average guy in, say, New England.

 

[Atom Smasher]

And no, cultural sophistication does not cause men to be AFC. Give me concrete proof that it does and I will give everything up and become a freaking cave man.

Cultural sophistication = plugged into the culture = aspires to fit in = AFC.

 

[theunflushables]

Cultural sophistication = plugged into the culture = aspires to fit in = AFC.

I think you are looking at culture in a completely wrong light. Culture is a tool to inspire man to rise above his station, not make man aspire to fit in.

When the human species was but just an infant living in the wild, the only way to out alpha others and show dominance was to clobber them. But as man invented culture we invented non-violent ways to assert dominance. Shamans became priests and the priests became kings. Those who wanted more and more influence with the kings became courtesans. These people made masterpieces to please the king and rise above all others in their way. It was a civilized version of clobbering people.

Of course, now the kings are gone. In their place is money and success. We no longer try to out maneuver each other to gain favor of the king, but to gain financial or personal success.

As a photographer, I strive to take the best pictures as I can in hopes of getting a gallery exhibit. Not because I think my pictures would look pretty there, but because people with lots of money would be there and they will give me their money. And they will tell all their rich friends about my works and they will give me more money.

Being afraid of or anti culture because it causes people to be AFC is a completely ridiculous notion. Think of culture as a beautiful woman, what is more AFC, to not talk to her because you're afraid she might cause AFC feelings or to talk to her despite your fears?

However, if you are anti-culture and don't want to give up that belief that's fine, just get rid of all your possessions (including your clothes, humans weren't born with clothes on, its a cultural invention), and go live off the grid like a caveman; wait...cavemen had art, so I guess you would have to live like our ape ancestors. Which means no fire or tools either.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Dude, chill. You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
too much into this. I actually agree with your general thoughts on culture within a sane society, but these are unique times.

Our culture here in the states changes abnormally fast and therefore can barely be discussed in general, centuries or even decades-spanning terms.

When it comes to women, (that subject only), the culturally aware generally read the magazines, watch the TV shows, wear the clothes, and strive to fit into the culture. Our culture is uniquely pro-female and anti-male. I deplore that state of affairs, therefore the red pill did I take.

Instead of the culture dictating lifestyle to me, I now define myself independent of the culture and I'm doing much better in life because if it. I am utterly unplugged, and now that I am outside I have the ability to use culture to my advantage whenever I want. That's power, my friend, and that's appreciating culture where it edifies me and rejecting its mechanisms that are designed to marginalize me.

I won't bother commenting on your extremes in your last couple of paragraphs as I know you'll eventually grow out of that. For now, I've completely lost interest in this subject, so you'll have your final little rant, and that will be that. I have other things far more pressing than this.

I'm actually amazed I engaged you, 'cause I usually don't engage my tiny number of detractors. You should feel honored.

 

[Zarky]

No idea, always lived in CA. However, from studies I've read it appears that men who live on the coasts are more interested in "playing around" then men who live in the interior of the country. It was from an article aimed at women telling them if they really want to get married to move away from the coasts.

 

[Darth]

I think this is a good example:

Here in Ohio, I hear guys being made fun of for being pu$$ies all the time.

Whereas in the east, people would laugh at you for being "macho."


It's as if the East have bought into feminism and political correctness hook line and sinker.

I agree with Atom Smasher- in certain areas, the coasts have done a complete flip-flop in values, whereas to this day these are things that aren't even questioned by most people in the midwest, because it would seem stupid.

There's still natural competition in the midwest among males, to best the other guy. To be the strongest, the fastest, to be "smooth with the ladies." And I just don't see that attitude at all on the coast.

I go to college in Ohio but went to high school in the east (and still live there). As you go back and forth between places, you start to notice this stuff...

And about feminism and political correctness, I've told some guys in college (midwest) a couple stories from high school, like one time when my friend got thrown out of class for accusing his guy friends for giggling like girls, and being told it was "unacceptable" and "sexist."

They couldn't even wrap their heads around it.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

You'll find the most AFCs where you find the most liberals.

Out here in the corn fields, men still act like men, though sometimes it's taken to the extreme where yer not a man if you don't own a diesel truck and have at least one twelve pointer on yer wall. Even in the Manly Midwest, our problem is that many men adopt the Captain Save a Ho mentality as part of being a good, hard-working man. But no one's perfect, and I'll take this over a blue state ANY day of the week.

I'll probably have to hit Illinois to cure my buck fever. Bucks don't live long enough in Ohio to even get that big.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You'll find the most AFCs where you find the most liberals.

Out here in the corn fields, men still act like men, though sometimes it's taken to the extreme where yer not a man if you don't own a diesel truck and have at least one twelve pointer on yer wall. Even in the Manly Midwest, our problem is that many men adopt the Captain Save a Ho mentality as part of being a good, hard-working man. But no one's perfect, and I'll take this over a blue state ANY day of the week.

I'll probably have to hit Illinois to cure my buck fever. Bucks don't live long enough in Ohio to even get that big.

You are correct on all counts, sir.

 

[BigJimbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw8Q8PwkxN8&feature=related
This is literally what you would see on Sundays in much of Italy if you actually left America. These are Italian conservatives. Not exactly the Republican party :crackup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZC8EXI44eM
This is Ohio State. American conservatives. :crackup:

Face it. America is the land of wimps. Go along and pretend that you are MEN. Very cute and very funny.

 

[iliketennis]

by definition there are the same number of average people in any location.

 

[zekko]

You'll find the most AFCs where you find the most liberals.

Out here in the corn fields, men still act like men, though sometimes it's taken to the extreme where yer not a man if you don't own a diesel truck and have at least one twelve pointer on yer wall.

I don't want to turn this into a political discussion, but this makes sense. Since feminism is a liberal idea, it makes sense that you would find more pro-feminist males in the states that lean left. And feminism breeds AFCs.

I live in a conservative area of the midwest. This clears up so much for me. I have always felt such a huge disconnect with many people on this forum, talking about how all the guys around them were such pvssies. I always wondered who the heck these people were hanging out with?!?! And why it was so different from the reality I was seeing? According to this theory, it's regional differences.

It makes you think that if you just hit up one of the coasts and act in a masculine manner, you will be facing very little competition.

 

[The Mad Ghost]

Ofcourse, in the United State of Texas, there are less AFCs here. Just go to UTA, then go to UCSB to see the difference.

San Jose, are you kidding me? Weren't it Californians who started this Skinny Jeans-on-men trend? Heart of Hollywood.

 

[The Mad Ghost]

Ok, I don't know if the California thing is true, but what I said about Santa Barbara and San Jose is true. (cuz SB has way hotter girls) Isla Vista oh my god...

i wouldve thought LA, or southern cali dudes would be better at pulling hot girls, as they've got the cream of the crop there. LA has some of the hottest chicks in the world, plus isn't UCLA and USC the hotspot for all the hottest chicks trying to bandwagon in on the entertainment industry.