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Is there a better way to approach random chicks than 'Cold approaching'?

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Yeah, I want to know if there is a better way to approach random chicks(Basically, chicks you don't know) than using Cold Approaches. Cold Approaches are okay, but come on, going up to a random chick in the hallway and saying "Hey, how's it going?" just seems a little unnatural, I mean sure, if you wanted to become friends with the girl, that would be alright, but it just seems unnatural when you're trying to get the girl in bed, really, she probably gets approached by several other guys with the same approach. Plus, when I cold approach a girl, I hardly ever get anywhere with that girl, which makes sense, because hey, any random person can start conversation with a girl, right? It's going to take a little more than that to actually build attraction. This is why I hesistate to approach a chick that I find attractive, because I know that I won't get anywhere with that chick, simply by cold approaching her and engaging in conversation with her, it just feels like, there's something more that's needed to actually build attraction with a girl. For instance, there's this hot senior chick named Roxanne in band, we both play the Alto Saxophone, but I've never approached her, because I don't think that anything would actually happen; I would Cold Approach and in the end, we just end up engaging in a boring conversation. So, I want to know, is there a better way of approaching random chicks than cold approaches or is there a way that I can improve my approach?

My typical approach goes like this:
Me: Hey, [Name], How's it going?
Girl: [One word answer, usually "Good"]
Me: [Open ended question, like, "Did you do anything interesting this weekend?"]
And it goes on...
 

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I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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.....how is the above not a cold approach? if you don't know the chick (or only know her name) its a cold approach. thats it.
 

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You have a self-defeating attitude. If you already believe that a cold approach isn't going to work, then it probably won't. I would suggest stop thinking about what could come of the approach and just think about doing it. When you think of the future you set up expectations. Don't try to connect a cold approach with getting them "in bed" (which is a little much for a 15 year old anyway, or maybe it's not in this day and age), just think about how great it would be just to talk to the girl.

More importantly, you say you doubt anything will happen if you cold approach but do you somehow think more will happen if you sit there and do nothing?
 

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Viper that is NOT a cold approach....98% of guys here can not succesfully cold approach.

Open
Attract
Comfort
Sexual

When cold approaching all you need to:

Open

F2M attract

M2F attract (qualifying)

Then you can close


I can succesfully close 99% of girls at my school........the real challenge its in Day 2 and Day 3 to keep things going.


Smooth
 

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You have a self-defeating attitude. If you already believe that a cold approach isn't going to work, then it probably won't. I would suggest stop thinking about what could come of the approach and just think about doing it.
The thing is, I have cold approached alot of girls and I get the same results, boring conversation, boring girls, no numbers, nothing accomplished. The fact that I don't have a great voice or reputation doesn't really help that.
Don't try to connect a cold approach with getting them "in bed"
Replace getting in bed with, becoming her boyfriend and you've got my intentions, although, most senior girls around 17 and 18 years old, so who knows.
just think about how great it would be just to talk to the girl.
Really not that great of a feeling, atleast for me.
 

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Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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viper your so pessimistic, you´ll get nowhere with that attitude. You overnalyze things too much which makes you abort any chance to pick up or start a conversation. I think you need drugs or something lol I can send you some coke,eventhough I think you couldnt approach if you were high or drunk as fvck lol.jk:cool:
 

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viper your so pessimistic, you´ll get nowhere with that attitude. You overnalyze things too much which makes you abort any chance to pick up or start a conversation. I think you need drugs or something lol I can send you some coke,eventhough I think you couldnt approach if you were high or drunk as fvck lol.jk:cool:
 

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Originally posted by tigre
viper your so pessimistic, you´ll get nowhere with that attitude. You overnalyze things too much which makes you abort any chance to pick up or start a conversation. I think you need drugs or something lol I can send you some coke,eventhough I think you couldnt approach if you were high or drunk as fvck lol.jk:cool:
You didn't read the above post that I made obviously, I HAVE attempted starting conversations with women before, but like I said, they were... boring, many times, just boring, boring conversations, boring girls, nothing accomplished.
 

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I'm sorry, but your cold approach there sucks giant hairy monkey balls. If I was a chick and some schmoe came up to me like that, I'd looking through my purse for the pepper-spray.

It's too direct, you have to establish attraction, break the ice before getting personal. Ie, if she is looking at clothes, make an innocent joke, get her to laugh, keep convo for a few minutes, get name and number.
 

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Originally posted by Centaurion
I'm sorry, but your cold approach there sucks giant hairy monkey balls. If I was a chick and some schmoe came up to me like that, I'd looking through my purse for the pepper-spray.

It's too direct, you have to establish attraction, break the ice before getting personal. Ie, if she is looking at clothes, make an innocent joke, get her to laugh, keep convo for a few minutes, get name and number.
Good advice but this is approaching girls during school we're talking about, not many ways to break the ice in the school environment, especially to random girls/girls I don't know well(Like Roxanne, other than the fact that we play the same instrument in band and she plays Field Hockey, I know NOTHING about her).
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Okey, HS forum that way ------>

HUMOR is the key. You're both in the band right? You both play the same instrument right? That means that you two sit together during band practise right? Crack a joke about the band teacher/something funny that happened at school.

No one here can give you a fool proof script to follow. Just go with the flow. You have to practise to keep an interesting convo going. To some people it comes, but others have to work for it. Keep asking interesting open ended questions, if something peaks her interest, focus on that, keep her talking.
 

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Originally posted by Centaurion
Okey, HS forum that way ------>

HUMOR is the key. You're both in the band right? You both play the same instrument right? That means that you two sit together during band practise right? Crack a joke about the band teacher/something funny that happened at school.

No one here can give you a fool proof script to follow. Just go with the flow. You have to practise to keep an interesting convo going. To some people it comes, but others have to work for it. Keep asking interesting open ended questions, if something peaks her interest, focus on that, keep her talking.
Theres a reason he doesnt post in the HS forum anymore, because hes stupid and doesnt pay attention to sh*t.

Viper, im willing to bet when you go up to her she can smell you fear. Then you start talking like you have a gun to your head. Being serious isnt gonna get you any friends. Lighten the f*ck up, stop being a tool, and have fun.
 

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Originally posted by oakraiderz2
Theres a reason he doesnt post in the HS forum anymore, because hes stupid and doesnt pay attention to sh*t.

Viper, im willing to bet when you go up to her she can smell you fear. Then you start talking like you have a gun to your head. Being serious isnt gonna get you any friends. Lighten the f*ck up, stop being a tool, and have fun.
Nah, sorry that's not the reason, I would actually appreciate it if a moderator moved this topic to the HS Forum.

Have you ever talked to me in real life? No, so you wouldn't know if I talked like I had a gun to my head. But nah, I don't, sure I don't have the greatest, most enthusiastic voice, however, I do engage eye contact and positive body language when I approach, sure I don't smile all the time, but hey, I wouldn't engage eye contact and positive body language if someone had a gun to my head.

Yeah, I guess you're right, I am sort of afraid to approach her, not because I'm afraid of what she might say or afraid of rejection, I'm afraid that when I take my chance at her, I won't get anything accomplished. Although, I might try this breaking the ice stuff, I'm not good at naturally breaking the ice, so I don't know if that will neccessarilly work for me.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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