Is the FDA holding back on us?

[Vincent]

Just using better grammar and punctuation isn't improving.

 

[MetalFortress]

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
And that is also why you will never amount to any success as far as health and fitness goes, now go complain about someone posting 2 much, go on scurry off.

Too bad I've already proven you wrong on that (see also: thread in which I post before/after pics of myself at 270 and then 207). At least do research to make sure you aren't already wrong before you bash me.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Too bad I've already proven you wrong on that (see also: thread in which I post before/after pics of myself at 270 and then 207). At least do research to make sure you aren't already wrong before you bash me.

maybe u have a looser definition of success.

Anyways, i checked your thread out, and all i see a guy in a shirt close up, and a guy in a different shirt from a different angle in a different place, and from a different distance in another pic, shiiiit u cud be lookin better in the first pic, cant tell. quality doesnt matter, doing pics that have the same outside factors would show your progress.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Is the FDA holding back on us?

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
How much Vitamin C are you talking about? You do realize you just eliminate and waste the excess Vitamin C...Water-soluble vitamins taken in excess are excreted in the urine.
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As for B Vitamins..I'd go for the natural sources.

For natural sources of Vitamin B2:

Chicken, Milk & milk products, dark green vegetables, cheese, whole wheat bread, salmon, and avocadoes

For natural sources of Vitamin B6:

Lean meat, wheat germ, poultry, fish, soybeans, cooked and dried beans, and peanuts

For natural sources of Vitamin B12:
Poultry, fish, milk, shell fish, eggs

For natural sources of Vitamin B7:
Soybeans, cerelas, oatmeal, bananas, milk, and peanuts.

For natural sources of Vitamin B3:
Fish, chicken, cheese, whole grain break, cereals, eggs, avocadoes, milk, peanut butter, and bananas.


For natural sources of Vitamin C:
Fresh fruits and veggies.
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You'll notice a recurring pattern...certain things keep popping out that have all these vitamins. It's chicken, fish and milk. So if you're worried about B vitamins, have some chicken and fish and drink some milk cuz it'll give you all the B2, B6, B12, B7, and B3 vitamins you need in one day. As for Vitamin C (the most overrated and easily obtainable vitamin to get), you just eat some fruits....or just drink a glass of orange juice. DO NOT take 3X the recommended amount of Vitamin C because you will just waste it..or "piss" it out.

Natural sources are great, but you arent likely to get the quantities you need from those foods alone.
The whole reason that you should take large amounts of water soluble vitamins is that they are water soluble, so you are always saturated with enough, the amounts that can hurt you from water soluble vitamins are about 40 times what i take, many more what the rda is, AND you have to take such huge amounts repeatedly to get any negatives out of it.
Anyways our muscles are full of water, they can disperse a lot, and id rather have some extra than some less.

And plz dont say not to take 3x the Recommended amount, the RDA barely reduces scurvy.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Here we go again.

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
What are you talking about? Yes you can get the quantities from these foods alone.

It's better to get the vitamins from natural sources.

You would have to eat a lot of meat to get enough b vitamins.

its quite a myth that natural sources are better, save for a few vitamins like e, and theres a small difference there.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Re: Re: Here we go again.

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
LOL

All this information here is so false.

I can't believe they're actually letting you post this...

show me how many steaks id have to eat to equal 75 mg of vitamin b1, b2, niacinamide, b6, b12, biotin, pantothenic acid, folic acid, choline bitartrate, inositol.
Also, at least tell me, how do vitamin supplements differ from natural sources of said vitamins. In general plz, we know u dont got time to post so much.

 

[Vincent]

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
In general plz, we know u dont got time to post so much.

I wish the same was true for you

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by Vincent
I wish the same was true for you

It is, im terribly efficient.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Re: Wrong again....Rawblood.

Originally posted by KillaPetehog
Natural vitamins are better than synthetic vitamins.


You may have been told there's no difference between the two, and you might as well get the synthetic version, which costs less. Not true. Natural vitamins, in fact, are absorbed in the body better. In addition to this, very high doses of many vitamins such as A, C, D and B-6, as well as several minerals, can cause serious health problems if taken regularly or in excess (eating 3X the FDA recommended amount). Excesses of one nutrient may cause nutritional imbalances or increase the need for other nutrients.

All you guys can go ahead and take Rawblood's advice...You'll probably get sick and die....but take a look at these links and decide for yourself whether it’s better to get vitamins from natural sources or to get them from vitamins…


http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/marc-lindsay/vitamin-supplements-not-answer.htm
http://www.healthbulletin.org/vitamins/vitamins8.htm
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/108/109070.htm
http://psa-rising.com/eatingwell/vitamins_no_protect.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163009,00.html

cant even write your own post u gonna copy n paste, first of all i asked you what is the different between the vitamins we take and the vitamins in food. What is see is PHYTONUTRIENTS, thats great i never told u not to eat any whole foods, theres actually some vitamin supplements today that contain phytonutrients too. FIBRE - see oatmeal. C creating DNA damage , woah id love to see the study there, all i see is a mention of such a study, i dont see a link to the study.
And thats about it, all your links talk about phytonutrients and your last and 3rd link are of the same article. NONE of your links state the differences of vitamins, one notes that theres a different between eating a fruit and a vitamin because of the existance of PHYTONUTRIENTS, not the vitamins themselves, and ive said theres some vitamin supplements today with phytonutrients in them. And the others keep repeating that fibre is important.

Quoted from http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0675/is_6_18/ai_67372503
Whole foods offer more and better-absorbed nutrients than pills. For example:
* the iron in meat is absorbed better than that in pills.
* the fiber in bran cereal is preferable to taking a fiber supplement or laxatives.
* getting calcium from milk replaces the need for calcium supplements. Calcium aside, milk drinkers have a diet that is overall more nutrient-dense compared to milk abstainers. Remember the story: "I don't drink milk ... I take a calcium supplement instead." You fool only yourself by thinking a pill (or 2 or 20) can replace a variety of whole foods!

this one is just a joke, theres different types of IRON and theres different types of IRON supplementation. then it says cereal is preferable, not better (did i tell anyone not to eat whole foods? I did on this forum advocate not eating ****, wich implies eating whole foods)
I certaintly did not tell anyone to drink milk. Yet again, it says theres no need to supplement calcium if you drink milk, thats great, i dont see it saying the actual CALCIUM is better.

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Frankly recommending people to eat 3X the recommended amount is absurd. You could possibly get someone very ill or killed with your careless advice.

3x is a recommended amount. I have said that water souble vitamins should be taken in sufficient amounts, wich are above the RDA wich only secures one from deficiencies of said diets.
BTW am i dead? i follow my own advice religiously.

And to end this "absurd" conversation
"Many people don't receive all of the nutrients they need from their diet because they either can't or don't eat enough, or they can't or don't eat a variety of healthy foods. For some people, including those on restrictive diets, multivitamin-mineral supplements can provide vitamins and minerals that their diets often don't. Pregnant women and older adults have altered nutrient needs and may also benefit from a supplement."

http://www.chiff.com/a/natural-vitamin.htm
There is an article, again it says whole foods are better ( you may think this proves i am wrong ) What it pinpoints as the reason is, OTHER subtances in the food (read above again) phytonutrients etc, other than E and an isolated few other vitamins, synthetic vitamins are the same thing.

Also describes how most of the food u eat doesnt have the vitamins you believe it has.

Not sure if its in the article but,
most of your fruits and vegetables you are eating today, were from an early spring harvest, THINK ABOUT THAT.

 

[mrRuckus]

What do you think about this?

http://theomnivore.com/The Grains Page.html

 

[MindOverMatter]

Don't you get it, the more you correct his keyboard monkey ass, the more he'll post. Just let it go and let the kid post his things. Only idiots will take him seriously anyway.

Seriously look at the post times from his history for the last day. All of these are in EST time, same as where he's from (toronto):

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10-03-2005 08:39 PM - Time he started posting

The guy basically posted for 9-10 hours straight and never leaves his computer. I don't know why anyone even reads this guys advice, when it's obvious the guy just spends his whole awake time posting on sosuave. You would think that someone with so much input on dating and fitness would be out getting laid or in the gym instead of posting for 10 hrs.

 

[C00L]

what it comes down to is western medicine treats symptoms but doesnt cure the underlying problems.

 

[AETude]

haha this is funny

if you guys want to help RAWBLOOD please DO a poll.

1/BAN him for 1 month
1/BAN him for Life

then give it to admin lol.

 

[mrRuckus]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Here we go again.

Originally posted by KillaPetehog


Now, the only way I'd justify your argument to take 3x the recommended RDA amount, is if you were a 9 feet tall 600 pound giant.

It would still be within the RDA even at that size because it's based on a 2000 calorie diet and someone that big would probably eat proportionate to that