Is The Atlantic's Take on the 2020 Dating Market Nonsense?

[SW15]

Pandemic Era Dating

I would describe The Atlantic as a quasi intellectual, blue pill, more liberal media outlet. They do post thought provoking articles.

The person (Sara Konrath) who wrote the Pandemic Era Dating article in The Atlantic is a PhD academic woman. She's likely an SJW/careerist/feminist.

Sara Konrath makes the argument that dating has become more intentional in 2020. She might be right. I don't her take is on point. My take is that dating is worse with less in-person public meeting and less sex. There's been a growth in sexlessness, as OnlyFans and PornHub are having a good pandemic. Male thirst is a parallel pandemic.

The Atlantic put the lack of sex among 18-34 year olds into mainsteam discussion in 2018.

 

[SW15]

Clear cookies on your browser if you can. You've probably read too many Atlantic articles in the past. That goes for pretty much anyone. I didn't have a paywall issue.

You'll notice from the statistics that the sex recession is almost entirely driven by men, not women, and correlates directly with the popularity of Tinder. They want to make the issue non-gendered to cover up what is really happening, which to us is beyond obvious. Women that used to be boyfriend hunting are trading in relationships for casual sex and short term flings, then settling to the extent they are psychologically able after this lifestyle is no longer rewarding.

Pandemic or no pandemic, it is easier for women to obtain sex. The Pareto Principle existed before swipe apps got big. Even from 1998-2011, the dating market was far from ideal for the majority of men.

 

[Kotaix]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, how much can you write on the fvcking topic? Of course being The Atlantic, the article is dripping with female victimhood and yaaas-queen slay body positivity. This is just par for the course for a crappy publication.

Overall, I can't say I disagree with the data the article lays out. Countries have lower birthrates as life becomes easier and people should be rejoicing that birthrates are low so we don't overpopulate the planet.

In the end I think this is all a load of crap though. My opinion is that people have lost the ability to be content with what they have and are always searching for the next best thing.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The problems is not "lack of sex" for people aged 18-34.

The problem is lack of sex for 80% of men below 30 and lack of relationships for 80% of women above 30.

They would rather build a quant computer to calculate the size of the universe rather than acknowledge where the problem is.

 

[Tilex]

It was written by a woman.
If course it's nonsense!

She states that spending time getting to know each other before having sex leads to strong chemistry. And how would she know that?
Does that apply to everyone? Obviously not!

She also suggests that couples should take it slow.

 

[Georgepithyou]

When it comes to dating, NEVER take the advice of a woman.

You don't ask the fish how it was caught, you talk to the fisherman who actually caught it.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Pandemic Era Dating

I would describe The Atlantic as a quasi intellectual, blue pill, more liberal media outlet. They do post thought provoking articles.

The person (Sara Konrath) who wrote the Pandemic Era Dating article in The Atlantic is a PhD academic woman. She's likely an SJW/careerist/feminist.

Sara Konrath makes the argument that dating has become more intentional in 2020. She might be right. I don't her take is on point. My take is that dating is worse with less in-person public meeting and less sex. There's been a growth in sexlessness, as OnlyFans and PornHub are having a good pandemic. Male thirst is a parallel pandemic.

The Atlantic put the lack of sex among 18-34 year olds into mainsteam discussion in 2018.

I have been sourcing on a hike, dog park, outdoor workouts, and post workout or run. I am still approaching. Anybody who says that pandemic is not affecting them is talking ****. It is specially made a lot of crazy.

One thing I would like to add, I noticed IOIs and choosing signals prior to the Julien media scandal were a slam dunk. Today, they are a lay up but women are ****ed. They will give choosing signals and still be ambiguous.

I am enjoying the decline. Pillaging what I can. The SMP is a dumpster fire. The amount of girls that have been through rotation and or dropped, smash and ghost. Throater and ghost... It's hilarious. The amount of left over women is going to be astronomical. I can't wait.

I will add, I have more regulars through pandemic than usual. Always sourcing. But I highly recommend going scorched earth...
Blow me or blow me out. With shutdown, Netflix and chill is a good option. Women are more scared than guys. Still, high interest level and compliance is GOAT status. A girl text my mate in pandemic about taking her back widow off with a screw driver... That her dads asleep. Come over. Lulz!

Men go through several lifetimes never having had a chance at that level of desire.

 

[bat soup]

Pandemic Era Dating

I would describe The Atlantic as a quasi intellectual, blue pill, more liberal media outlet. They do post thought provoking articles.

The person (Sara Konrath) who wrote the Pandemic Era Dating article in The Atlantic is a PhD academic woman. She's likely an SJW/careerist/feminist.

Sara Konrath makes the argument that dating has become more intentional in 2020. She might be right. I don't her take is on point. My take is that dating is worse with less in-person public meeting and less sex. There's been a growth in sexlessness, as OnlyFans and PornHub are having a good pandemic. Male thirst is a parallel pandemic.

The Atlantic put the lack of sex among 18-34 year olds into mainsteam discussion in 2018.

I think the only thing that's changed is that women have refined the ancient art of kochteasing.

 

[MatureDJ]

She's written another article. I shall make a post of it.

EDIT: I didn't see that the OP had listed a pair of articles from the same author. My bad.

 

[SW15]

I have been sourcing on a hike, dog park, outdoor workouts, and post workout or run. I am still approaching. Anybody who says that pandemic is not affecting them is talking ****. It is specially made a lot of crazy.

One thing I would like to add, I noticed IOIs and choosing signals prior to the Julien media scandal were a slam dunk. Today, they are a lay up but women are ****ed. They will give choosing signals and still be ambiguous.

It is good that you are sourcing outdoors. That's the best in-person approaching option now.

IOIs have changed. From my experience, the Julien Blanc scandal has nothing to do with it. I moved to a new city in the early 2010s. As soon as I got to the new city and was attempting to meet women, I noticed immediately how much things had changed 2004-05. IOIs in bars were less common in 2011-12 than they were in 2004-05. The advances in technology between the two time periods were what I noticed most. In 2011, I became friends with a guy who was quite skilled with women. He's also younger than I am and came up a little bit later in the smartphone revolution. He would do approaches at bars with no IOIs. He felt at that time that IOIs were difficult to come by. He's a 6'4" ex-college athlete and white. He didn't need IOIs as much as a 5'10" guy like me who came up in the game in the early 2000s where I was taught to look for IOIs. The IOIs I have looked for over time have been eye contact and a smile.

As I shifted more to day game in 2013 and beyond, I found IOIs still challenging to get but still easier than night game in the same era. In the second half of the 2010s, I started to observe more women wearing earbuds in the grocery store, which I think was being done to avoid in-person approaches. I have lived in a singles dense and fitness oriented part of my city, which is one of the most pretentious in the United States. It wouldn't be surprising that women would refuse in-person approaches in the grocery store. While most men don't have the stones to in-person approach in the grocery store, there are enough men who do it and do it poorly to annoy Millennial snowflake women.

I am enjoying the decline. Pillaging what I can. The SMP is a dumpster fire. The amount of girls that have been through rotation and or dropped, smash and ghost. Throater and ghost... It's hilarious. The amount of left over women is going to be astronomical. I can't wait.

Being a woman in a state of involuntary solitude (insol) is a better existence than being an incel man. An insol woman can still have a decent amount of sex. Even a post menopausal, 55 year old woman will be heavily chased as long as she's not fat and she puts a profile up on Match or OurTime. What she does with all that interest is up to her.

Men go through several lifetimes never having had a chance at that level of desire.

Very few men achieve a state where they are quite desired. The hierarchy of the sexual marketplace as I perceive it is as follows:

The 90th percentile and up of men (top 10% of men)
The 80th percentile and up of women (top 20% of women)
The 80th to 89th percentile of men
The 50th to 79th percentile of women
The 30th to 49th percentile of women
The 30th to 79th percentile of men
The lowest 29th percentile of women
The lowest 29th percentile of men

Your outcomes in dating/mating depend upon where you fall in the hierarchy. The Atlantic article was written by a woman around the 50th percentile.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Very few men achieve a state where they are quite desired. The hierarchy of the sexual marketplace as I perceive it is as follows:

The 90th percentile and up of men (top 10% of men)
The 80th percentile and up of women (top 20% of women)
The 80th to 89th percentile of men
The 50th to 79th percentile of women
The 30th to 49th percentile of women
The 30th to 79th percentile of men
The lowest 29th percentile of women
The lowest 29th percentile of men

Your outcomes in dating/mating depend upon where you fall in the hierarchy. The Atlantic article was written by a woman around the 50th percentile.

This is a fantastic post. I’ll add that for men, where you fall is a function of money, influence, and height. Looks matter less than people think. An average looking man that makes high six figures or more, can dress, and is tall will still get the hottest babes. The best things men can do is get our income, style, and fitness to higher levels.

 

[coyote_astro]

I have been sourcing on a hike, dog park, outdoor workouts, and post workout or run. I am still approaching. Anybody who says that pandemic is not affecting them is talking ****. It is specially made a lot of crazy.

One thing I would like to add, I noticed IOIs and choosing signals prior to the Julien media scandal were a slam dunk. Today, they are a lay up but women are ****ed. They will give choosing signals and still be ambiguous.

I am enjoying the decline. Pillaging what I can. The SMP is a dumpster fire. The amount of girls that have been through rotation and or dropped, smash and ghost. Throater and ghost... It's hilarious. The amount of left over women is going to be astronomical. I can't wait.

I will add, I have more regulars through pandemic than usual. Always sourcing. But I highly recommend going scorched earth...
Blow me or blow me out. With shutdown, Netflix and chill is a good option. Women are more scared than guys. Still, high interest level and compliance is GOAT status. A girl text my mate in pandemic about taking her back widow off with a screw driver... That her dads asleep. Come over. Lulz!

Men go through several lifetimes never having had a chance at that level of desire.

Question: have you found that the mask situation has made your outdoor approaches more difficult?
Due to the pandemic I wanna be more proactive in approaching outdoors, but in my state masks are required outdoors at all times and I feel it makes everything harder...
Unless you are in a place like e.g. Florida, where people seem to be going about their lives, in which case good for you, I'm jealous

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It is good that you are sourcing outdoors. That's the best in-person approaching option now.

IOIs have changed. From my experience, the Julien Blanc scandal has nothing to do with it. I moved to a new city in the early 2010s. As soon as I got to the new city and was attempting to meet women, I noticed immediately how much things had changed 2004-05. IOIs in bars were less common in 2011-12 than they were in 2004-05. The advances in technology between the two time periods were what I noticed most. In 2011, I became friends with a guy who was quite skilled with women. He's also younger than I am and came up a little bit later in the smartphone revolution. He would do approaches at bars with no IOIs. He felt at that time that IOIs were difficult to come by. He's a 6'4" ex-college athlete and white. He didn't need IOIs as much as a 5'10" guy like me who came up in the game in the early 2000s where I was taught to look for IOIs. The IOIs I have looked for over time have been eye contact and a smile.

There's a Donovan the 6s podcast on cold approach VS choosing signals. Have a look. It's geared to the black community as is Kevin Samuels but the optics are good regardless. I take choosing signals, IOIs and the Bambi eyes. I am gunning to approach. Regardless.

My point about Julien blanc was less about him and more about the shift in the culture. That was 2013/2014. The metoo, feminist, girl power rubbish went into overdrive. Pua got whacked after at least on YouTube. It's gone vanilla and only die hards are around. It's like scoring on a empty net. IOIs is as simple as holding eye contact slightly longer than usual or the double take. It can be just hovering in proximity.

If she's banging, the IOIs come, take it but the approach should be the go to play. Take your shot. Test compliance. Comply or bye. Purpose must take precedence.

As I shifted more to day game in 2013 and beyond, I found IOIs still challenging to get but still easier than night game in the same era. In the second half of the 2010s, I started to observe more women wearing earbuds in the grocery store, which I think was being done to avoid in-person approaches. I have lived in a singles dense and fitness oriented part of my city, which is one of the most pretentious in the United States. It wouldn't be surprising that women would refuse in-person approaches in the grocery store. While most men don't have the stones to in-person approach in the grocery store, there are enough men who do it and do it poorly to annoy Millennial snowflake women.

The annoyance or less than spectacular approach is whatever. We are not all Sergio Augero, king James, Messi etc. We just take our shot. Female attitude is irrelevant. The reference experience is what I am about. Men would take more from chalking up taking the shot up as a W and calibrate after the fact. Rewire the brain from passive, OLD, and swiping to actually getting girls. I don't disagree with you about the snowflake. I am saying, she's a broken rubber and cheese burger away from expired. There's hotter girls on the come up.

Being a woman in a state of involuntary solitude (insol) is a better existence than being an incel man. An insol woman can still have a decent amount of sex. Even a post menopausal, 55 year old woman will be heavily chased as long as she's not fat and she puts a profile up on Match or OurTime. What she does with all that interest is up to her.

Aaron Clarey is correct about the SMP is purely economics. Women are auctioned to the highest bidder and women are delusional as ****kk to mistake the attention for being special. arc nails it with no free attention.

very few men achieve a state where they are quite desired. The hierarchy of the sexual marketplace as I perceive it is as follows:

The 90th percentile and up of men (top 10% of men)
The 80th percentile and up of women (top 20% of women)
The 80th to 89th percentile of men
The 50th to 79th percentile of women
The 30th to 49th percentile of women
The 30th to 79th percentile of men
The lowest 29th percentile of women
The lowest 29th percentile of men

Your outcomes in dating/mating depend upon where you fall in the hierarchy. The Atlantic article was written by a woman around the 50th percentile.

Not shocking.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Question: have you found that the mask situation has made your outdoor approaches more difficult?
Due to the pandemic I wanna be more proactive in approaching outdoors, but in my state masks are required outdoors at all times and I feel it makes everything harder...
Unless you are in a place like e.g. Florida, where people seem to be going about their lives, in which case good for you, I'm jealous

100%. The first thing that I recommend is that fellas especially young men, chain gun cold approach pickup like Arnold in T2. Volume > not that one skank. Even Tusk said after a botched pickup he should have taken off the mask.

London ain't different. No excuses. #nextset!

The plus is that, you get absurd amount of experience, reference points, and it becomes another day at the office.

Coyote mate, don't go full retard like I did with pickup. Seek competence. Approach a handful of girls EVERYDAY in 2021. Don't stop till dead or D falls off. Jlaix had a saying. Irrelevant! Indifference. The outcome is what it is. Source women. If you will be jailed in your state, MOVE. Cultivate Being that guy!

Tyler used to talk about freedom from outcome and intent.

 

[SW15]

Question: have you found that the mask situation has made your outdoor approaches more difficult?
Due to the pandemic I wanna be more proactive in approaching outdoors, but in my state masks are required outdoors at all times and I feel it makes everything harder...
Unless you are in a place like e.g. Florida, where people seem to be going about their lives, in which case good for you, I'm jealous

In my state, outdoor approaching is the workaround to masks, which are killing grocery store game. I didn't like malls as much as grocery stores before the pandemic. Mall traffic is also down so I'd imagine there's not much mall approaching that can be done.

That was 2013/2014. The metoo, feminist, girl power rubbish went into overdrive.

I'd agree with that. I think the smartphone was a more impactful change on game. Then the pandemic hit.

 

[Poonani Maker]

The problems is not "lack of sex" for people aged 18-34.

The problem is lack of sex for 80% of men below 30 and lack of relationships for 80% of women above 30.

They would rather build a quant computer to calculate the size of the universe rather than acknowledge where the problem is.

yeah my retired general doctor always told me how important 'sex' was to our overall health, he was a photographer on the side, a very 'sirly' stilted impartial man, big on taking vitamin D I remember, and he was for having sex as a top priority (straight sex I'd assume) and I followed doctor's orders from 2010 till 2017 with a fevor, then he retired

 

[Who Dares Win]

yeah my retired general doctor always told me how important 'sex' was to our overall health, he was a photographer on the side, a very 'sirly' stilted impartial man, big on taking vitamin D I remember, and he was for having sex as a top priority (straight sex I'd assume) and I followed doctor's orders from 2010 till 2017 with a fevor, then he retired

So you stop having sex in 2017 cause he retired? Im not sure I get what you meant in your last line.

 

[SW15]

The problem is lack of sex for 80% of men below 30 and lack of relationships for 80% of women above 30.

Makes sense. A lot of women 30+ have problems finding longer term relationships. They usually don't have a problem finding sex. Often times, when a woman is single after age 30, you'll see her have many shorter term sexual relationships. Rarely will they last more than 6 months.

There's not a lot of overlap between a 25 year old man lacking sex and a 34 year old woman lacking a relationship. Sometimes a 25 year old man can get a short term sexual relationship out of a 34 year old woman. A number of things have to line up for this to happen.

Very few men achieve a state where they are quite desired. The hierarchy of the sexual marketplace as I perceive it is as follows:

The 90th percentile and up of men (top 10% of men)
The 80th percentile and up of women (top 20% of women)
The 80th to 89th percentile of men
The 50th to 79th percentile of women
The 30th to 49th percentile of women
The 30th to 79th percentile of men
The lowest 29th percentile of women
The lowest 29th percentile of men

Your outcomes in dating/mating depend upon where you fall in the hierarchy. The Atlantic article was written by a woman around the 50th percentile.

This is a fantastic post. I’ll add that for men, where you fall is a function of money, influence, and height. Looks matter less than people think. An average looking man that makes high six figures or more, can dress, and is tall will still get the hottest babes. The best things men can do is get our income, style, and fitness to higher levels.

Yes, a man's percentile rating is some combination of looks (height is a part of looks), money, and influence. Fitness is a part of looks. Income is a part of money. Style can be an indicator of influence.

For women, most of their percentile ratings comes down to looks and her disposition. A lot of her looks she can control. While she can't control her age, she can mitigate it to an extent. Fitness is a part of it. Sometimes plastic surgery can help. Her hair length is a factor that she can usually control. Her disposition involves how pleasant she is when you are around her. How much aggravation does she cause? What are her behaviors? Does she flake? Is she argumentative?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I'd agree with that. I think the smartphone was a more impactful change on game. Then the pandemic hit.

I just see the crash. I see that highway like accident of female hypergamy and hitting the wall. I don't see any way back. I think simps will always bail out skanks.

Tbh this is the first Nye since before junior high school that I didn't go out Nye. Just chilled out with plate.

I don't recommend that as routine nor through holidays but it is strange times. If you saw Troy Francis' late night podcast it's pretty eerie in London atm

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

he was for having sex as a top priority (straight sex I'd assume)

Poon mate, you sure he wasn't making a pass?