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Is she BPD or am I AFC

ChilliWilly

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Hello Guys,

My first post here after coming across this site a couple of years ago. What a fantastic resource and I feel a big thank you is in order for all those that have contributed.

Apologies in advance for what I think will be a long post. As well as being my first post here, this is also the first time I’m posting anything on the net, so please bear with me if I’m not conforming to protocol.

A bit about me ….. I’m 38yo living in Scotland, who has had one serious relationship of note, from the age of 23 until I was 30, which I ended. I first came here 2 or 3 years ago after a serious case of one-itis screwed my head up, read the bible and realised how much of an AFC I was. Resolved to strive towards Don Juan-ism. Not there yet as I decided to prioritise on my business and leave relationships on the back burner. So I haven’t had a relationship for quite a few years, but compensated with many f*** buddies. Working long hours and seven days a week meant I didn’t have much time for a social life, so the majority of these f*** buddies have been found on the internet - not exactly honing gaming skills I know.

I own the only convenience store on a large housing estate and at the beginning of November a new customer appeared. A 32yo who I’ll call Rachel. Not my type, but good looking nevertheless, at first I treated her like any other customer. As I got to know her better, I found myself attracted to her and started flirting to which she responded favourably. I should mention that she is a single mother to a 13yo boy and a 4yo girl. After a couple of weeks it became obvious to me she was really keen on me, so I asked her out.

On the afternoon of the date I got a text message saying that her dad, the babysitter for the night, had been called out to work and she was terribly sorry but had to cancel. No problem I thought. Another two dates were arranged over the following week which didn’t happen. The third time I didn’t even get a text. Time to forget about this one I thought.

However I had noticed she was good friends with a girl, Claire, who had worked for me in the past. The next day I asked her what’s going on, I’m getting f***ed around here. She told me, “She is really into you, but she is very scared as she has not been near a man, in bed or out of it, for four years” and “also she isn’t sure about you as she thinks you are a womanizer”

Next day Rachel came and apologised profusely for her behaviour and said tomorrow night for sure. She also mentioned her son was vehemently against her being with any man. At this point I did say to her “I don’t want to come between you and your children” to which she replied “that’s my problem and I’ll deal with it”.

We went out and had a great time. Several times through the night she made it obvious she was up for sex, but I brushed her off. Lots of kissing throughout the night. I dropped her off home.

Now in the first 10 min she told me a bit about herself. She and her brother had been raped at the age of 11 by her mums bf. I think she also said she had sex with her brother at the time too. She claimed she had dealt with her issues but her brother had not. Her brother was and is violent to her. She had been living in a village about 30 miles away until last summer, when her brother attacked her again. This time her son took a baseball bat to him and told him if he ever did it again he would kill him. She felt it was a genuine threat and not wanting her son to become a murderer she left everything and took her kids and a couple of bags, sought out emergency housing and ended up where my store is.

Her sons father had been killed in a car crash when he was 7 or 8, and her daughters father just simply disappeared when she was born - he didn’t want to be a parent. No man in her life since.

The next day she came to see me and told me she had arranged for her kids to be at their mums for the following weekend so we could spend it together.

That night around 11 I got a call form her, she was back in her village at a friends house. I chewed the cud with her friend for a while on the phone when she asked me, can you come and get Rachel and bring her back home. I spoke with Rachel and asked her if she was serious and she said yes, with some humility, and could I? I agreed and said ill set off in 10 minutes. I took my time and it took me an hour before i left home. 10 minutes Into the journey , when I should have been near I got a call asking where I was. Another call 5 minutes later to say “Its ok, don’t bother my Dad is coming instead” I was quite pissed off and turned back.

No contact for 2 days from her and then a text message saying im sorry we were being really stupid, please forgive me. An hour later she turned up in the store apologising. Ok. She invited me over to hers that night. About an hour after I arrived her son turned up and although he was polite with me he was displaying “attitude”. I was told a couple of days later that he went ballistic at his mum “why have you brought a man into the house”

The weekend away was approaching and I hadn’t seen her in the store for a couple of days, nothing abnormal in that, so I tried to call her a few times. Never got a reply, until the Friday when she textewd me to say she’s going to pop over. We arranged details for Saturday. Early on Saturday afternoon she called to say her son had been assaulted by a Police Officer the bight before and she may have to cancel, but she would let me know by 5. No further contact was made that day. I next heard from her on Tuesday , apologised for not being in touch. We had a nice few hours chatting. She had spoke with her son who said “ I don’t mind you seeing him, but please don’t bring him into the house”

She wanted to come to my store when her girl was in kindergarten the following day so we could have sex. I agreed. The next day came and again no contact from her. Until 6 hours later when I got a a text saying “ I only have enough credit left for one more text, so wanted you to know my dad turned up this morning and I wasn’t ignoring you”

By this time I was quite pissed of with her behaviour and normally I would decide not bother anymore.

Easy to do that, but this girl will come into my work everyday and it’s the first girl ive really liked in about 4 years.

Not sure how much of a ramble this post has been so far, lol.

In your opinion is this girl genuinely scared of getting it together with a man, plus the resistance she is getting from her son and work with her slowly at this or just walk away? She has shown quite a bit of disrespectful behaviour to me. Is she BPD or still freaked out at being abandoned by her last partner?

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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Warrior74

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Who cares, afc bdp... She's got too much drama period. Move on. You don't want to get sucked into the mess that is her life, or do you? Move on.
 

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I intended to post this in the Mature forum. Anyone let me know how I can move this post there. Or can a Mod do this for me please.
 

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ChilliWilly said:
Now in the first 10 min she told me a bit about herself. She and her brother had been raped at the age of 11 by her mums bf. I think she also said she had sex with her brother at the time too. She claimed she had dealt with her issues but her brother had not. Her brother was and is violent to her. She had been living in a village about 30 miles away until last summer, when her brother attacked her again. This time her son took a baseball bat to him and told him if he ever did it again he would kill him. She felt it was a genuine threat and not wanting her son to become a murderer she left everything and took her kids and a couple of bags, sought out emergency housing and ended up where my store is.
Wow, that's quite a story.

I can't imagine Scottish culture being much different than American culture but telling something so personal and tragic like that to a stranger on the first date within 10 minutes is a HUGE RED FLAG. Actually, it's the mother of all red flags.

Girls who have been sexually assaulted at a young age usually have unhealthy self-esteem and mental problems. This explains the fact that she got pregnant with the boy when she was only 21. And it also explains the fact that she got pregnant the second time with a douchebag. Hmm, you might be lucky number 3.

But ask yourself, do you really want to be married to a girl like this who obviously did NOT resolve the crisis (don't judge a woman by her words, only her actions) AND do you want to be raising kids from two other men? Might as well start an orphanage while you are at it.

Ok that sounded harsh but you know what I'm getting at.

That night around 11 I got a call form her, she was back in her village at a friends house. I chewed the cud with her friend for a while on the phone when she asked me, can you come and get Rachel and bring her back home. I spoke with Rachel and asked her if she was serious and she said yes, with some humility, and could I? I agreed and said ill set off in 10 minutes. I took my time and it took me an hour before i left home. 10 minutes Into the journey , when I should have been near I got a call asking where I was. Another call 5 minutes later to say “Its ok, don’t bother my Dad is coming instead” I was quite pissed off and turned back.
Another red flag. She wants you to be her little chauffeur, nay, a knight in shining armor, who will come to her rescue whenever she needs it. Also, the fact that she moved from the village with nothing but emergency luggage AND she is willing to go out on dates with you should tell you that she is looking for somebody who can provide for her. What better catch than somebody who owns a convenience store?

Don't worry about whether or not she is BPD or you are AFC. Don't worry about the labels. Just know that there are tons and tons of red flags all over the place with this woman. Hate to break it to you but you don't really love her. In the back of your head, you were always desperate looking for some sort of reciprocated love from another woman in your life that now you are falling for this disaster.
 

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My goodness dude. This sounds like something you'd see in a Tv drama show.
Personally,I couldn't stand to be with a woman like this. I don't care how hot,how sexy,or how beautiful she is. Seems like everybody connected to her is involved in some type of disfunction one way or another. My opinoin? Who cares if she's BPD or you're AFC. Just get O-U-T. Because I guarantee you that sooner or later,she's going to get YOU involved in this mess. She's already gotten some flak from her son because of you. How knows,maybe one day this kid might try to swing a bat at YOU. With all the chaos here,it wouldn't surprise me. I'm actually surprised you've lasted as long as you have with this woman.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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maybe one day this kid might try to swing a bat at YOU.


Yep, I agree. Notice that instead of telling the kid to STFU because it was her house, she just agrees to meet you in a store to have sex.

Obviously, the girl has a mountain of issues, whether or not she has bpd. There is a bpd thread in the archive you might read to think about it for yourself.

She might be great in bed...or wherever you had planned for her in your store :D ... and that would not be so bad, except that you like her. The Drama Family will suck you in, and you will become one of them if you stay with her. Then eventually the kid will swing the bat at you.
 

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Your already sucked into the rollercoaster that is her life. This is a lose-lose situation to be in and it will only get worse. She's flaking on you to test you and figure out exactly how much you will put up with.....

There should be alarm bells ringing in your head about this girl:

-raped
-violent family
-missing father

It is terribly sad and unfortunate that $hit like this happens to hundreds and thousands of people across the world, but the biggest thing you have to understand is you can't fix any of this mess and if you stay it will destroy you and everythingn you've worked so hard to accomplish over the past seven years.


Bail on this chick now and save yourself the sanity before you are completely sucked in.

Be prepared for her to turn on the heat ten fold once you tell her its not working out....stay strong and don't bend or you'll be sorry.




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I'll have to agree with several of the posters here...she had a very traumatic life and I feel for her... but the truth of the matter is this... it is not your problem.

I realize that you are very busy with your store... but there has to be some way you can socialize and meet other women that are a much better fit for you...
 

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Put it this way...if someone else had made that post and you read it what would your advice to that person be? Exactly.

Walk away. Be civil if she comes into your store, but you DO NOT need that kind of drama in your life. Have your standards fallen that low?

C'mon you are better than this.
 

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Yo Chilly, what part of Scotland you from? I'm from NE England.

Mate, without being too harsh, her life's a mess. Full of nonsense and drama. It follows naturally that if you let her into your life, your life will also be a mess. You have a business to run and you're a good guy, you don't need someone messing you about. She's got issues that are gonna bring issues to your life.
 

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The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Thankyou guys for taking the trouble to read and then to respond to my first

The Bat said:
Wow, that's quite a story.
Igetit! said:
This sounds like something you'd see in a Tv drama show.
LOL, and I haven't told you half of what went on.


The Bat said:
telling something so personal and tragic like that to a stranger on the first date within 10 minutes is a HUGE RED FLAG.
Yep, I did wonder about this at the time.


The Bat said:
do you want to be raising kids from two other men?
Amongst my friends I am the one who has always said that I'd never consider a single mother for anything more than a f*** buddy as "why should I be responsible for another mans child/ren". I'm amazed at how quickly I threw my criteria out of the window here, that's the strenght of effect she had on me.

I have decided to bail out of this. Think I was aware of pretty much all of the points that have been made in the responses. Just needed that kick up my arse. Thanks.

The Bat said:
you were always desperate looking for some sort of reciprocated love from another woman in your life that now you are falling for this disaster.
These few words have made me very curious ...... care to expand on this?

pimp-sicle said:
Be prepared for her to turn on the heat ten fold once you tell her its not working out....stay strong and don't bend or you'll be sorry.
I've injured my back and have had a few days off, the last time I saw her was very briefly on Saturday. Despite her killer smile I think she realised I wasn't too happy with her behaviour and have had no contact from her since then. I am actually looking forward to when she does try to reel me back in. Now that I feel "free" from her, I'll thoroughly enjoy gently blowing her away. Don't worry, It'll be done in a subtle and gracious manner, I'm a gentleman afterall, not an arsehole. plus she spends good money in my store, lol.

Shaunuk .... im in Edinburgh. Often down in your neck of the woods as my brother lives in Newcastle, where in NE england are you?
 

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First she has a kid. You do not want to raise someone else's DNA.

Second, she hasn't had a good childhood. Being raped and incest. This could of really fvcked with her head! Now, she may be okay now but, you don't really know.

Third, she is being flaky. She probably isn't ready for a relationship right now.

I'd say make her a fvck buddy (only) or just drop her period. Droping her is probably the best though.
 

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don't be captain save a ho, i tried once. totally ****ed myself over and the bpd girl tried to **** up my life. i haven't seen the physical/emotional abuse yet or crazy spending. but she may have some type of mental disorder like PTSD post traumatic stress disorder because of the rape/incest. stay the **** away man. if u got the lay then good, break it off and close all contact. if u didn't get the lay, then don't pursue it any further.
 

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you were always desperate looking for some sort of reciprocated love from another woman in your life that now you are falling for this disaster.

ChilliWilly said:
These few words have made me very curious ...... care to expand on this?
Certainly.

You mentioned that you were in one LTR for a good amount of your 20s. After which, you haven't had any serious relationships. Yet you "compensated" with fvck buddies. I thought it was interesting that you used the word "compensated" because it sounded like you were either justifying your loneliness or your lack of sex.

See, when we are growing up, our Mother is our primary source of love, affection, comfort, and warmth. Our Father may be a hard ass or a tough guy or absent. So naturally from a young age, we associate the feelings of love, warmth, and affection with women because of the presence of a Mother figure in our lives.

When we then enter our teenage years and college years, we still look to associate those feelings with a woman because all of our male buddies are into playing sports, video games, competing against one another, talking about non-emotional topics such as movies, sports, politics, etc.

That's why at young age we seek out female companionship. Frankly, we seek them out because we want to bone them but that's why you see so many young guys getting into a relationship and writing love songs/poetry about their girlfriends. :rolleyes:

So you see where I'm going with this.

Your LTR from when you were 23 must have been pretty comforting and secure because you were in it for so long. After it ended, you must have felt this void in your life that you wanted filled. You "compensated" for this with fvck buddies and by immersing yourself in your work (I'm assuming at this point but I want you to closely think about what I'm saying).

And now you found this gal who had all those qualities of warmth, affection, and paid attention to you. My my, what a catch she is! Here you are slaving yourself to your work for these past few years, after coming off of an LTR, with few senseless fvcks here and there, and then here comes this great gal!

I want you to read this thread:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=116668

Also, look up few other threads by the same author. There is a great deal of information in that thread and his other threads that is not included in the DJ Bible.

The mods really need to move this to MM forum because there will be more responses there. Also, try summarizing your original post because some people don't have the attention to read that long of a story. Might as well make a new thread on MM forum if you want.
 
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