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And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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Is Seduction Seminar a fraud?

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I'm talking about Payton Kane's seduction seminar (seduceandconquer.com) that occurs twice a year in Cancun Mexico. The cost is about $ 3500 US, not including airfare, and it includes accomidation for 7 days and 8 nights, all meals included on a 5 star hotel. It consists of seminar training and coaching in the art of seduction.

The question that pops in my mind is are these seminars in those types of environment really authentic, or would it be the case, that if a foreigner from any wealthy country were to go to a poorer country thay would most likely be targeted by locals and played for passes or money, or their culture may simply make for 'easier' pick-ups or relationships anyway than in North America. Or is Cancun a place that people internationally go to, and these types of variables dont exist, so such a seminar would be authentic?

Opening the floor for comment. I personally cant see myself putting money into something like that, but, it's a supposed 'investment in yourself' that you can transfer back to North America based on learning and applying seduction techniques, which I would prefer having a resident back of mind concept over a short-lived sex-tour concept any day (which I've never been on, or plan to go on). I dont intend to act on any of them, would still like to know if this seduction seminar is for real, or is it a fraudulent concept.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Oh, so that is 'Cancun'. I've watched a DVD last November about a group of students going on their spring break in Cancun, so I guess that's as much as I know about it other than what you have told me.

Well, this helps me allot, because, I'd just pick up a plane ticket and go to Cancun Mexico and just look for the best deals in terms of both flight and accomidation, and probably net similar results from going to a Seminar and it's likely to be an easier club atmosphere there than in North America. I mean, you are bound to get somewhere even if you are a total moron at seduction in that environment, wouldn't you say?

So, if one is thinking of going to go on a 'vacation sarging trip' then Cancun, Mexico, would probably be the best place.
 

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Man, save your money for a seminar outside Cancun, or use that $$$ for yourself in Cancun because you don't need teachers there, really. If you look decent, dress nice, get in the adventurous mood, and party hard in those clubs for hours you will be surprised with the things you will experience. Without the need of gurus. Guaranteed.

Whatever you decide, have a good trip and enjoy!
 

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Damn. It's unbelieveable that ppl pay for things, that are wired to happen naturally. That's just insane.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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