"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Is referring to you by name an IOI?

tsmith2334

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Before you write this off as silly, just know that I've heard this for years now and from several sources.

Anyway, here's my question... would statements like:

"Hey Tom"
"Thanks Tom"
"How are you, Tom?"
"Nice meeting you, Tom..."

be indicators of interest as opposed to:

"Hey"
"Thanks"
"How are you?"
"Nice to meet you"

I've honestly heard when she inserts your name into the statement it can be an IOI. Is this true?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Depends on context. How often does she say your name?

Every other sentence? Or when you meet, then part.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I think this is a personality thing. I try to use peoples names so I don't forget them, especially when I first meet someone new. I wouldn't say it is an IOI...
 

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Ive been pondering this as well...good question but i'm not sure myself. Some people are just like that
 

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Alle_Gory said:
Depends on context. How often does she say your name?

Every other sentence? Or when you meet, then part.
The woman in mind usually says it when we meet and part. Usually in the context of the examples I provided.

She shows a lot of other IOIs, which leads me to believe this might be one as well.
 

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There are better IOI's out there.

When it doubt, just try some kino and see how she reacts.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I would say it's an IOC, Indicator of Class... but not necessarily an IOI. She might just refer to everyone by name.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
The woman in mind usually says it when we meet and part.
This is not an IOI. This is her saying your name, probably repeating it so she doesn't forget.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
This is not an IOI. This is her saying your name, probably repeating it so she doesn't forget.
Well, like I said, it all depends. I've known for two months, so I don't her think remembering my name is an issue at this point.

The best examples I can give you of her doing it are:

"Hey Tom"
"Thanks Tom"
"How are you, Tom?"
"You too, Tom"

The reason why I think it's an IOI is because she is ALWAYS smiling at me and looking me in the eyes. I've also seen kino (initiated by her), head tilting and hair playing.
 

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The reason why I think it's an IOI is because she is ALWAYS smiling at me and looking me in the eyes. I've also seen kino (initiated by her), head tilting and hair playing.
THIS is the most important information. Behaviour.

Deffinite IOI. :yes:

Good luck buddy.
 

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tsmith2334 said:
The reason why I think it's an IOI is because she is ALWAYS smiling at me and looking me in the eyes. I've also seen kino (initiated by her), head tilting and hair playing.
THAT's the real IOI then.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Alle_Gory said:
THIS is the most important information. Behaviour.

Deffinite IOI. :yes:

Good luck buddy.
Thanks my friend, I appreciate it a lot.

I knew I was getting some clear IOIs, I just thought addressing me by name could be the icing on the cake.

I've heard if you meet someone and they repeat your name upon saying goodbye, it means they enjoyed meeting you. In other words, they subconsciously think you are worth remembering.
 

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It's funny I was talking to one of my girl friends and she said about her kind of boyfriend at the time "I hate it how he always says my name. It makes it seem impersonal". I replied "what? that's weird. Normally people drop names when they are trying to gain rapport".

Now I'm definately not saying don't drop names based off what one girl thinks, but because of my background (on here etc) I automatically assumed that it was an IOI. However the whole act of looking for IOIs can screw you up. Rather that looking you should be acting. The only IOI you can rely on is when you esculate and she doesn't reject. If you ask her out and she says yes, THATS an IOI. If you go to kiss her and she kisses you back then THATS an IOI.

I'm interested in this stuff but you simply can't be analysing if she's twirling her hair and hold a good, fun conversation. Not to say that that the thread doesn't have a valid question. I think we should rely more on what feel rather than what we come up with logically. Do you feel that's she's interested? Much better than counting IOIs.

/rant
 

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^ Great advice! It not only applies to this thread but interactions in general. I find that being over-analytical is a recipe for disaster.

A lot of women unintentionally give off IOIs even though they aren't interested, so you always need to look out for false alarms.

Do you feel that's she's interested? Much better than counting IOIs.
Truthfully, yes. When I met her I felt a good vibe. Upon re-introducing myself a few months later, she seemed to remember me fondly (she started using kino!).

Since then I've noticed many IOIs... body language, constant smiling and eye contact, even the way she speaks and how she conducts herself. My hunch is she would definitely go on a date with me.
 

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IOI's are good to know about and what to look for, but you interpret them as permission to move ahead. If you are attracted to her, then her not rejecting your advances IS the permission to go for it.

Some guys are always waiting around for IOI's (aka opportunities) instead of creating them in women.

If you are attracted to her, then JUST GO FOR IT!!


What was the question again??
 

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Referring to you by your name can be. I know when I usaully meet a girl I like for the first time I try calling her by name a lot.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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