Is it really about skills? Or just statistics?

[firebird]

Sometimes it is claimed that any woman can be seduced, and it is just a matter of skills and experience.

It is also repeated uncountable number of times here that if something wrong happens (e.g. she does not respect you) you just walk away and never look back. Do not fall into one-itis and there are thousands of women everywhere, so you just GFTOW.

Didn't the two sound a little contradictory?

If you try to seduce a large number of women, I suppose there will be some of them who will be successfully seduced? Or if you hang around in bars and nightclubs, the women in there are already used to being hit on and they are more receptive to (actually, they want to) be seduced and have sex?

Will I be able to use these DHV, rapport, Neg Hits, C&F, or what you will to cold approach some married mom a PUA runs into in a supermarket aisle? Will she be receptive to these tactics and sleep with a PUA?

Are these skills so universal that they are applicable to every woman? Or are they applicable to only a certain kind of women which you tend to find in bars?

 

[Petars]

It is both......

think of your pick up artist skills as a percentage/fractions ......

AFC 0.01 1% success rate or 1 in 100
Good AFC 0.05 5% success rate or 1 in 20
Jerk 0.1 10% success rate or 1 in 10
DJ 0.2 20% success rate or 1 in 5
DJ Master 0.4 40% success rate or 2 in 5

so afc need 100 woman to strike lucky

and a DJ master needs 5 woman to strike lucky twice ..........

so a jerk needs to work 4 times as hard to get the same numbers of woman as a DJ master and a A afc needs to work 10 times as hard as the jerk to get the same numbers as the jerk ............

over simplified but true ...........

Pesudo Science never lies ... Ha ha ... any ways ....

 

[rushing dude 123]

The first question, leaving if something wrong happens and not getting oneitis, is both there to make sure u don't pick desperation over choice. So u will b able to meet the right woman because she is the right woman, rather than ur not getting much action in ur life and jus settling with a crappy hand and not moving on.

And has for ur married mom on aisle 7 picking up some watermelons, i am sure all those techniques will work yes, if u look on here u will see that quite a big majority of people meet there women in supermarkets, parks, trains, etc..... Just for the record married women r not my thing and approaching them in such a place when they r probablly not looking for sex, will probablly b much harder than if u were in a night club.

The last question, id say any woman can b seduced, but the methods of seducing her may b better by adjusting ur method to the situation, so u got to adjust ur game for where ever u r, but the overall, using c+f, dhv, negs will work, but how u use them is the question is what u need to find out. I wudn't take my word for it though, if u really want to find out go out there and do some field work. Field work never lies, because i cud not possibly tell u what works for u, only u seeing it for urself can show it.

 

[The Sperminator]

Of course it doesn't work on everyone. But it works on a lot of girls in bars or not. I used to work in a female clothing store. Let me tell you the best job ever bc it let me practice my dj skills. I mainly used ****y funny and made myself higher value then them but let me tell you it worked on almost everyone. From 18 year olds to 40 year olds.

 

[DonGorgon]

"A lucky man who lacks the skill to capitalize on such luck, in the end, is not that lucky at all..."

- Pairof Dice

 

[firebird]

Thank you for your responses. My inner state is a little bit messed up by my discouraging experiences in the field.

It was often told that "taken" women are just as good as seduction targets. After all, what is the percentage of women in LTRs who are happy anyways? Pretty low, I must say. I have no moral concerns for giving them the excitement they crave for. Usually, the only really "single" women are undesirable women not just in looks but in personality as well.

So, I learned to live the life of a DJ: be alpha, be sensitive, give women excitement, lead, never supplicate, maintain dignity at all times, DHV without arrogance (arrogrance is a sign of weakness). I did warm approches to loose acquaintances without asking them whether they are taken, as I was told that was irrelevant. It is okay if they are receptive to you even when they are "taken", right? But they always see through my intention and decline.

"Single" women are hard to find and when I actually came across one (just out of a LTR) she was a lot more receptive, and had an exciting, enjoyable day1 with me, even though I still couldn't pull it off to a day2.

I don't drink and can't go to bars, so logistically I run out of a fresh supply of women very quickly. I am into the shy, good girl kind most of which don't just hang out and let you hit on them.

That's the background which leads to my questions - the skills are universal but are all women receptive? It seems like there is some statistical element to all this, in the end. You can increase the chance of success by improving skills, but it is still statistics.

Hitting on friends of pivots have the risk of being the subject of gossiping and that can ruin my reputation. It is not always possible to tell a female version of AFC without at least attempting to flirt with her. However, that female version of AFC would not only fail to appreciate the flirt but think you are a freak and slander against you. Gossip spreads like wild fire.

 

[Snow Plowman]

When everything clicks...it comes down to logistics...

Yes you will always have blowouts or chicks running away from the get go, but in general you will always have great interactions...some will lead to kissing, #s, meetups, and sex. Really comes down to logistics...

...Is she a tourists leaving tomorrow
...Is she just visiting
...Does she live with her BF
...Does she live hours away
...Does she work 6 days a week and happen to be out on that 1 day

There is certain things you can never control...but showing and expressing your personality you surely can do. I don't think it's a statistics at all...but you can go that route too...