"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Is it possible to reearn 'alpha' status with a girl you went beta on?

icantgetlaid

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There's this girl i'm dating that i liked a lot but was playing it really cool with for the 3 months we've been dating (following all the 'DJ' rules: ... acting indifferent ... spinning plates while dating her ... being aloof ... only asking her out .. not texting/talking to all day .. etc.)

She's had VERY HIGH interest in me during these 3 months ... asking me to take her out ... sending me nude pics/asking me to go to her place to **** ... etc.

Anyway .. the last time she was over I had too much to drink and said a lot of stupid beta sh!t: talking to her about family, asking her about serious relationship, and other needy/disgusting behavior)

It goes without saying but I can tell her interest level has dipped since this went down.

Is there anything I can do to reestablish my "DJ" status with her ... or should I take my loss and keep it moving?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Who Dares Win

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Honestly I cant tell for sure if its possible or not however I believe she will try to confirm the frame which see you as a beta by treating you as such, if you instead avoid all those typical beta behaviours she will take the challenge to push you back there, if despite such attempt you manage to resist you can still gain the benefit of being perceived in a positive way.

So the take home message is, behave as you were behaving before, reject any attempt from her to remind you that you're a beta and if you succeed you cant still gain something from the situation.

Anyway if you manage to bang her, you automatically gain back the upper hand for sure even for the future, after the bang the power balance its all in your favour.
 

WanderingMan

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^I'd say this.

Go on as if nothing has happened. She may act differently now, but she's still waiting on your cue to see how you act/react. So just keep on as before. She will eventually bring it up to you - what you said - to see where a sober you stands. No need to beat around the bush or lie or try to take back what you said, IMO. Something along the lines of: "yeah, I do want a family some day" Then change the subject. The fact that you do want a serious relationship with someone is not a bad thing. It's natural to do so. If she presses the issue: "I'm not sure I'm ready to settle down, I think I got ahead of myself, I'm sure I'd like to some day though"

It's okay for women to see some emotions/feelings in you. As long as you don't go full bore beta on her, showing that sliver of a different side of you can actually be a benefit.
 
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So if she tries to take over the frame by saying bad stuff about your or saying your not indepedent or says she doesn't want you, how would you go about it? Be like whatever or ok? Just ignore and tease her and be sexual?
 

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I think the best way to handle these kind of situations is just back way, way off. Put her at the bottom of the pile and get busy with other plates etc.

It's hard, and usually not really worth it to salvage a situation where you have dropped off due to AFC behaviour. There's nothing less AFC than just moving on without giving a ****

If she cares or her IL is still high enough she won't let you go quietly into the night, so either way you'll either flip the power back or be rid of a situation that's not going to do you any good.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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mrgoodstuff

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It's very hard.

Easier for you to pick up another chick and ignore her. Over time she will come seeing what you are doing.

Then you focus on nailing her and using her for a sex toy.
 

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No.

If you were a true alpha, you wouldn't have went beta in the first place. Real alphas don't act beta with women.
 

WanderingMan

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Octogonal said:
No.

If you were a true alpha, you wouldn't have went beta in the first place. Real alphas don't act beta with women.
Everyone acts "beta" with a woman at some point.

Get over yourself.
 

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Octogonal said:
No.

If you were a true alpha, you wouldn't have went beta in the first place. Real alphas don't act beta with women.
Well, a little beta will keep a woman around.

But what happens when men start off as "alpha"? Sure they make their sexuality known, but if the woman doesn't find the guy attractive, she won't see him as alpha. She'll see him as useless, though not beta. Why useless? Because she has been shown that the guy will not be a provider, friend, orbiter, emotional tampon, etc.

Why the f**k would she want to keep him around? He won't give her any attention because she won't give him any sex, love, dates, etc. Hence, he is useless in her eyes.

A beta would make this one-sided in her favor where she has the power. But, both don't get the girl at all.

The interest and attraction have to be present for any "alpha" act to be effective.

Hell, damn near any act will be effective when interest amd attraction are highly present!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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RangerMIke

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I have no idea, but my gut says no. Truth is you should just change your approach, work on yourself, then go after other women. Besides, if you are really going to become what is commonly called 'alpha', then you MUST have an abundance mindset, the only way that happens is if you date multiple women.

Don't waste your time with re-treads. There are billions of women in the world, don't get locked in on one.
 
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