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is it just me or these "dinner dates" starting to sound afcish..

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are starting to sound AFC ish to me..

this is how im seeing things nowawadays..

call date up between monday-wednesday to schedule for weekend for a drink and/or a movie around 10pm ish. THen hookup (basically put out in 1st date)

Skip the whole dinner thing.. ice skating...etc etc.. To me this "dinner thing" is starting to sound like for high school, early college style boys.


You guys still go through the whole "dinner crap thing" or what?
 

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I try not to for at least the first few dates, it's all about action imo.
 

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If I do a dinner date, it's always just grabbing food and bringing to a park or whatever. Sitting down in a restaurant with a girl I hardly know and eating is quite possibly the most boring date I could ever imagine.
 

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verysuave said:
are starting to sound AFC ish to me..

this is how im seeing things nowawadays..

call date up between monday-wednesday to schedule for weekend for a drink and/or a movie around 10pm ish. THen hookup (basically put out in 1st date)

Skip the whole dinner thing.. ice skating...etc etc.. To me this "dinner thing" is starting to sound like for high school, early college style boys.


You guys still go through the whole "dinner crap thing" or what?
It's not just a high school, early college thing; it's a thing that guys who have little creativity in coming up with anything else to do. Most even try to impress the woman with the food because they have little to offer in the way of conversation or one on one interacting.

The funny thing is that their lack of communication skills shows up most during a boring dinner thing. For the typical guy a dinner date is best used with women who they've been dating for a while. The guys would be less nervous and maybe know the woman enough to have something to talk about.

I never do the "out to dinner" thing with a woman I haven't qualified. Dinner for a first date is completely out of the question even if she suggests it. Typically it's not until the point of "seeing each other" (not yet exclusive) when we actually go out to typical dinner dates at restaurants. Even at that point, she's taking me out as often I take her out.
 

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Yeah, dinner dates are lame and very unoriginal. The problem with dinner dates is that it's a forced setting where you are obligated to do nothing but exchange obligatory personal information about each other. You know the whole "where are you from/how's your job/etc."

They are AFC in a sense that the guy is trying to qualify himself by external means such as good food, nice atmosphere, and big wallet.

They are AFC in a sense that the guy is so worried about what the girl thinks of him that he resorts to having a "nice" dinner. He has been told to not be himself the first few dates. I'm not saying show up in jeans and sandals without a shower for the first few dates and talk about football.

They are AFC in a sense that the more he exchanges personal obligatory information about himself with the girl, she will be attracted to him.

I only do dinner dates with good friends and family. Now those are actually meaningful and worth spending some money on.
 

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I almost fell asleep while reading the first post. yawn @ dinner dates. Unless you are in an LTR. Dinner dates are a no no.

If you do find yourself in one, do not sit across from her as the table will act as a barrier between you two. Sit beside her or at a 90 degree angle from her.

Grab a news paper and go and find something that you want to do and think that she would like to do as well.

I like to ride ATV's and I plan on using that experience as a "Date." If someone thinks that is a bad idea I would like to know why.
 

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I've had some very successful dinner dates that resulted in action, but the thing is the action would've happened whether we did dinner or not. Better to have dinner at your place or her place if eating something besides ***** is that important. At the very least one needs to have an after plan. The last thing that will help close the deal is tinkering around all night with "date" stuff and then everyone just goes home alone. She can go iceskating with her kid sister, when she's with me, she's with me to get her rox off and enjoy my company.
 

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everywomanshero said:
I've had some very successful dinner dates that resulted in action, but the thing is the action would've happened whether we did dinner or not. Better to have dinner at your place or her place if eating something besides ***** is that important. At the very least one needs to have an after plan. The last thing that will help close the deal is tinkering around all night with "date" stuff and then everyone just goes home alone. She can go iceskating with her kid sister, when she's with me, she's with me to get her rox off and enjoy my company.
right right.. So, would you say NEXT the b1tch if you don't get laid on the first date.

It seems like this is the direction im heading with the way i see things
 

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If I'm setting up a date for the first time. I might say hey lets get some lunch and go play frisby in the park. but, yes the dinner date has been played too much. Now, if you been dating her for awhile. Women like it when you take them to a nice resturaunt.
 

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everywomanshero said:
I've had some very successful dinner dates that resulted in action, but the thing is the action would've happened whether we did dinner or not. Better to have dinner at your place or her place if eating something besides ***** is that important. At the very least one needs to have an after plan. The last thing that will help close the deal is tinkering around all night with "date" stuff and then everyone just goes home alone. She can go iceskating with her kid sister, when she's with me, she's with me to get her rox off and enjoy my company.
I disagree....there's nothing wrong with going ice skating :D
 

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verysuave said:
are starting to sound AFC ish to me..

this is how im seeing things nowawadays..

call date up between monday-wednesday to schedule for weekend for a drink and/or a movie around 10pm ish. THen hookup (basically put out in 1st date)

Skip the whole dinner thing.. ice skating...etc etc.. To me this "dinner thing" is starting to sound like for high school, early college style boys.


You guys still go through the whole "dinner crap thing" or what?
Dinner date on a first date? LOL..come on dude, you don't take her out to dinner on the first date. Yeah it's big time AFC. Movie is even worse. Go out for coffee or something casual on a first date.
 

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Too much talking can be bad. Women have this way of turning questions around and using them against you.. if you know what i'm saying.

Tom Leykis was right, schedule date after 9pm.. after she's had her dinner. and go to a bar
 
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verysuave said:
Too much talking can be bad. Women have this way of turning questions around and using them against you.. if you know what i'm saying.

Tom Leykis was right, schedule date after 9pm.. after she's had her dinner. and go to a bar

I second that

"call me when your done eating "

thats tom leykis for you...

what if "she" suggest dinner or even a "movie" instead of the planned activity ?

I have had that happen to me where they turn the tables on you

I usually stick with the plan , I am more of action dates

mini golf, go kart racing , find out if she is good at a sport or any activity , and challenge her , I usually say something like this

example
me : so your good at air hockey ?

her: yes I am very good .

me: well if you say your good wats your record?

her : I am pretty good probably better than you wats your record?

me :undefeated ( being a ****y badass lol...)

her : yeah right .

me :you know I am going to challenge you to a game of air hockey loser buys drinks.

her . ok

me : yeah well just to let you know ahead of time .... I like my martinis shaken not stirred or I like my beer imported not domestic ..., or I like my starbucks frap with extra caramel ...(if your choice of drinks happen to be starbucks )

her : oh god your a conceited guy

the point of this , it brings out humor in the convo and it offers a good alternative to dinner and a movie...
 
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