Is it ever too late?

[alx]

So I'm 27 I've never had sex or a relationship or even a date. It feels pretty hopeless for me now. Is it?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

It's never too late.

What do you think your main issues are regards to pulling women?

 

[alx]

I am not attractive. I have a baby face and a scar on my eyebrow where the hair is missing that makes me look asymmetric. As well as glasses and crooked teeth.

The women I pursue have all rejected me so far and I get the feeling they don't have to think very hard about saying "No". I've had comments like "there is no comparison between you and my boyfriend", "you are ugly", "there's something wrong with that guy's face"

I've had a girl in the club remove my glasses, probably to get a better look at my ****ed up eyebrows, then she put them back and moved away quickly. If I touch a girl at the club she will move away. I've smiled at girls and had them shake their head at me in disgust.

So my confidence is pretty shot but I can imagine success and smile and look happy. Just that isn't enough when I have no social proof, no experience, almost no game, and get low marks on image rating sites.

 

[corrector]

First kissing happened with a girl when I was 31 years. First relationship where a girl was totally into me that I wasn't into and did allot of stuff together happened when I was 33 years old (she is still after me and has mental issues but I'm ignoring her). First relationship with intense make-out sessions with a soul-mate happened when I was 36 years. First marriage (which lasted for two months) happened when I was 38 years. First visits with a couple of hookers when the marriage didn't work out happened when I was 38 years too. First nasty panic attacks/demonic attacks after visiting hooker which almost made me lose my mind happened when I was 38 years. First crazy drive across country to meet an old pen-pal happened when I was 39 years. You are only 27 years old so I'd say you are still young.

Just because you are 27 years old doesn't necessarily mean you'll be the 40 year old virgin. I used online dating in the past, as well as meeting someone at a supermarket that my parents helped facilitate. You are worried about hair missing, then cut all of your hear off and go bald. Some women may dig a guy with no hair. I wear glasses too. I also have a baby face. In fact, as people get older they lose hair. No big deal.

 

[alx]

It is part of my eyebrow that is missing, not hair from my head. Some days it's more sparse and noticeable.

I am seriously considering seeing a hooker and am curious why it gave you a panic attack and why you would describe it as demonic?

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I have friends who freely admit they are not good-looking and I tell them it doesn't matter. One in particular is very successful with women because he is chatty and friendly with everyone anyway.

You can't run before you can walk. Start by becoming more confident with everyone; starting conversations, learning how to make people laugh. If you like clubbing, learn to dance. Just randomly touching and smiling at girls is not a great technique, truth be told. Also rejection is a matter of life, it happens to everyone. It's how you react to that. Once you're confident and rehearsed enough you will actually be able to turn rejections around in to successes.

My younger brother is your age. He just came out of his first relationship because she turned out to be a bunny boiler. So this guy who never had any GF until 26 because he had a complex about his red hair is now rejecting women on HIS own terms.

It about perspective. You're focusing on the negatives which in turn is what others will focus on. Other people reflect what we think of ourselves right back at us.

Lastly, asymmetry is attractive. You'll find most people find symmetrical faces bland. You'll also notice that most people have asymmetry to some degree.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Improve every aspect of yourself you can. Increase your value to the highest it can be. Crooked teeth? Get them fixed. Don't like the way you look with glasses? Eye surgery or where contacts. Hit the gym and learn to dress nice and smell good. It starts there. Accept what you can't change. Your scar is not going anywhere, learn to love it. It probably doesn't even look that bad, singer Charlie Puth has the same thing and people think it looks dope.

You are not entitled to a woman. It is not too late, be lucky you didn't wait til' you were 40.

 

[corrector]

It is part of my eyebrow that is missing, not hair from my head. Some days it's more sparse and noticeable.

I am seriously considering seeing a hooker and am curious why it gave you a panic attack and why you would describe it as demonic?

I'm a Christian and seeing a hooker is fundamentally against everything that I believe, when it settled into my system, after the fact, that I saw one. Even if you are not currently a Christian, there are many issues why this is a bad idea, especially if you are not used to casual sex. You are dealing with a stranger that you don't really know anything about, what she is into, and how many men she saw prior to seeing you. The only standards she would have is that you paid her enough money, and it's the same standard for other guys she met before you. You may not see this as gross right now, but trust me, 24 hours or so after the encounter, all of that will settle in when you think back and ask yourself what you just did and whether you can live with yourself or not, or get a panic, it really depends on the type of person you are. In my case, it led to shock of an experience of a demonic invasion the morning after the encounter with the escort.

Also, you are dealing with a hot woman. You are getting intimate with a hot woman. You'll fall in love with her and absorb part of her tainted soul into your system and she'll be part of your memory and you won't be able to shake that for a good five to six months afterwards. You'll wonder, how could a lovely lady be involved in something like that, and you are part of a chain of guys that took advantage of that. So, there was massive guilt that I experienced afterwards.

The demonic aspect was real. It felt like something was trying to turn me into an animal and I had to fight it off. Eventually this thing left or it stopped bothering me. Again, I never saw an exorcist, went to the hospital, or interacted with any doctor so I can't come to a definite conclusion. I did do some research online that would support what I experienced was a demonic invasion and the shock was from the demonic invasion afterwards as opposed to the actual encounter itself. The demons caused flashbacks of the session to occur in my mind over and over again in a sort of tormenting way where it felt that the hooker was possessed and a devil was acting out though her. I've written extensively about this topic on another thread recently written about hookers, but in a nutshell, that's what I experienced AFTER the event.

There is a song I listened to which really brought out the shock. It's called "Brither than the Sun" by Colbright:

. My mind was racing that morning and I was looking at some youtube music videos, but when I listened to this particular song, that's when it really started. You can see in this video there is a party that's going on, and I felt like I was the guy that dealt with the slvt and people from my high-school and those who have known me to be a very moral person was shocked and said, "see I knew he would have ended up seeing a woman like that". Do you want people to think this way about you alx? When it hits you, it can hit you hard. All your past friends may laugh if they find out you saw a hooker and they may tease you about it.

 

[alx]

I don't want to get braces or eye surgery. Apart from the eyebrow I think I look okay, some days I even feel pretty good about myself. But women don't feel good about me and I'm sort of clutching at straws as to why. One woman I asked suggested I should get braces if I wanted to be kissed and it got me thinking. I've messaged plenty of people on POF and Tinder who look like they would appreciate my time. Never get a date.

 

[gator959]

this is the best way I can explain how to attract women, all of which I've learned from experience and reading this forum. You need to be happy on your own, interesting and confident. All this comes from being fulfilled in your own life. Enjoying your job, having good friends and good people around you. You have to be confident and happy with you body image and your physique. Also - you have to have an approachable personality. If any of these things are out of balance and you're not happy within yourself, you've already lost the battle.
what this does is it shows women through your body language and you aura that they would have fun with you and enjoy being round you. Otherwise you literally just send nervous and stress vibes, which pushes them away.

1. get into the gym and work out regularly to give yourself a good body image, confidence and discipline
2. read books, watch movies, talk to people. build a vocabulary, build you opinion of major issues and stuff around the world that interests you so you become a better conversationalist - also builds your confidence.
3. go out to different places and be seen having fun - people always gravitate to people that are having good time.
4. update your wardrobe, make sure you look fresh. No need to send lots of money, just look clean and fresh always

Women care less about looks than all this other stuff. If they feel good vibes from you and you can talk to them about interesting things - thats all you need. Stop focussing on your looks as much and just talk to people. All the girls that are rejecting you for your looks, f**k them.

and stop stressing about being a virgin - and if the only thing you want is sex, stop that too - or get a hooker. make the girl comfortable and happy around you and sex comes so much easier.

 

[alx]

It doesn't help that despite my flaws I actually am pretty decent. Not a fat sack of crap with no future, and yet everyone all around me is getting attention from the opposite sex even the losers, and I'm not. I feel like a ****ing alien.

 

[MrWiggles]

Dude you are still so young and on the cusp of being in your prime.

 

[snowfall]

Eyebrow pencil very lightly to fill in the hole. Modern frames. Really though, attitude is the most attractive aspect. Roll with it.

 

[Yewki]

I don't want to get braces or eye surgery. Apart from the eyebrow I think I look okay, some days I even feel pretty good about myself. But women don't feel good about me and I'm sort of clutching at straws as to why. One woman I asked suggested I should get braces if I wanted to be kissed and it got me thinking. I've messaged plenty of people on POF and Tinder who look like they would appreciate my time. Never get a date.

If your teeth are bad, you should do something about it. Would you rather live out your prime years with crooked teeth, or get them fixed in a year or two and be done with? You might be able to get invisalign too which is much easier than braces

About your eyebrow, have you considered getting hair transplanted in the area?

 

[alx]

All seems a bit vain. There's nothing wrong with me that I wouldn't overlook in a woman.

If I can become confident in myself despite my flaws, will it still be necessary for me to have these procedures?

 

[Desdinova]

First you post this:

I am not attractive. I have a baby face and a scar on my eyebrow where the hair is missing that makes me look asymmetric. As well as glasses and crooked teeth.

The women I pursue have all rejected me so far and I get the feeling they don't have to think very hard about saying "No". I've had comments like "there is no comparison between you and my boyfriend", "you are ugly", "there's something wrong with that guy's face"

Then you post this:

I don't want to get braces or eye surgery. Apart from the eyebrow I think I look okay, some days I even feel pretty good about myself.

All seems a bit vain. There's nothing wrong with me that I wouldn't overlook in a woman.

You're bytching about your looks, and then you're saying that your looks are okay when you get suggestions on how to fix it all.

You've received a lot of good advice in this thread. The only think I'd add is to go read the DJ Bible. You've got all the advice you need to get started, now get out there and fix yourself.

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