"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Is it ever ok to ask why?

oztradamus

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Some of you may remember i had a situation with a girl that i wanted to be more than friends with. At first she was all over me and then when i failed to kiss her, back off. Well tried one last time to kiss close after kino, and she told me that she knew i was interested in her and that she was not interested in me. That was a hard blow to take.

Anyway i have 2 questions. The first is, should i ask her why she isnt interested? I know most of you will probably want to curse me out for even sugguesting that, but i thought i would get some opinions on that. Second, ever since it was put out in the open that i was interested and she wasnt, our relationship has changed. The first week after, i didnt call her or see her on campus. She was then telling my friends that she felt bad for rejecting me, thought i was mad at her, and missed me because before we were pretty close friends. Then shortly after that, she started to call me alot, about every other day. She would even give me wake up calls so i wouldnt be late for class. She even cooked for me once and would call me during her family functions to see how im doing. What the hell is she doing? Is she showing interest or something else? Im pretty confused about this situation. Please help!
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Nah...if you don't know, they're certainly not going to tell you. :p

Seriously...if you don't know WHAT you did wrong, she is going to assume you just don't have a clue when it comes to pleasing women. It's also possible you did NOTHING wrong...and she's just not turned on by you, or maybe she's being a flake. You should be able to tell the difference.

So...having read the "DJ Bible" (you've read it, right??) and knowing what you know about how women work, if you had to take a stab at why she wasn't interested...what would it be??
 

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Originally posted by squirrels
Nah...if you don't know, they're certainly not going to tell you. :p

Seriously...if you don't know WHAT you did wrong, she is going to assume you just don't have a clue when it comes to pleasing women. It's also possible you did NOTHING wrong...and she's just not turned on by you, or maybe she's being a flake. You should be able to tell the difference.

So...having read the "DJ Bible" (you've read it, right??) and knowing what you know about how women work, if you had to take a stab at why she wasn't interested...what would it be??
'nuff said...
 

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I agree with you that the situation sounds somewhat ambiguous. She sounds like she likes you (as a friend) and if you like her too why not keep the friendship? She might even be able to give you advice on attracting someone else (and in asking questions of that sort, you could gauge whether she has any romantic interest in you !) Asking her why she isn't 'interested' could prove ackward and she probably would not tell you the real reason (if she even knew herself - it might just be a feeling she's expecting that's not there). But she likes you as a friend at least - keep her !
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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One of my favorite authors (steele) would ask to see where he screwed up, but he was a 40 or 50 year old man asking a 25 yr old and the chick had nothing to lose and would give a direct answer.

I don't think you can get a useful answer out of her in your position--you're in her social world with common friends and she has something to lose. You probably won't get a real answer. Or you'll get a partial answer. Or you'll get an answer that contains the truth but you won't know how to interpret it yet.

There's one reason for you to ask that will be useful: 10 years from now you'll remember it and be able to interpret what you missed at the time. It won't do you any good now.

But for now--she's not interested, and you now know all you need to know. That awareness is simple, direct and efficient. Move on.

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She's calling you a lot because -- a) you're in her social world and you still have some value and b) she is taking pity on you and is trying to make it so your feelings aren't that hurt.

B) is the worst -- adults do that for little children--try to fix "hurt feelings". IMHO, you're in a potentially pathetic position and you DON'T want to be there. Asking her will re-inforce this, so think hard before doing it. Best course is to eject -- date others, take 1/2 her calls, move on, give her 1/2 the attention, date chicks hotter than her. Don't make a point of doing this to her, just get busy socially and it'll happen.

She may re-evaluate and then try to catch you back. But to get to that, you need to make no excuses and no apologies and move up and onward. Do it right and she'll want to follow. In effect, your world will get that much more bigger and valuable and she'll want to join it.
 

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She's not interested in you but likes that you're interested in her. It gives her an ego boost. Don't mistake her small gestures as interest. It's nothing more than her throwing you a few bones here and there to keep you interested so her ego gets fed.
 

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She's not into you and is acting nice because she feels bad.
 

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I understand what squirrels and TesuqueRed r saying. Since she found out how i felt about her, i havent called her except to return her calls a day or two after, and ive only gone to her place twice and that is when she cooked for me. To answer squirrels question, i know what i did wrong, if anything, it was the fact that i hesitated when she showed some initial interest. She is either just not interested or doesnt want to ruin our friendship. Besides her mom, i am the closest person to her, so that could be a reason for the calls, but the fact that she doesnt want to hurt my feelings could also be a reason. The problem that i am having is that i dont know how to act around her. I still want to be with her and i dont know if i still have a chance with her. So should i just tell myself to move on and wait and see if she comes around or just be done with her all together.
 

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sounds like you missed the window and got sorted into the "just friends" bin
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by TesuqueRed
...Best course is to eject -- date others, take 1/2 her calls, move on, give her 1/2 the attention, date chicks hotter than her. Don't make a point of doing this to her, just get busy socially and it'll happen.

She may re-evaluate and then try to catch you back. But to get to that, you need to make no excuses and no apologies and move up and onward. Do it right and she'll want to follow. In effect, your world will get that much more bigger and valuable and she'll want to join it.
Out of the good friends bin? A classic question, I never get tired of seeing that one.

Anyway, it's really bad form to quote yerself, but I thought I had hinted at a recommendation here for this.

Actually -- this isn't all. There are some classic threads on this but you'll have to go back 1-2 yrs in the archives for it.

Um, good luck..
 

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dont ask, they wont give you the truth.

they will attempt not to appear mean or rude, plus they also want to be liked by everyone. So they'll just give you an indirect answer like, "you're not my type" or "im already seeing someone".
 
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