"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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is it better to practice your game on average girls or to just go for the hot ones?

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i've been wondering that recently, so i figured i'd ask you guys what your thoughts on the matter are.

is it better to practice improving your game on average girls until your game is tight enough to score some HB9s (like, a baby steps approach)?

OR is it better to just keep going for the really hot ones until you've landed an HB9.5?

i presume the answer depends on how well the skills required for gaming HB6s and 7s translate to successfully gaming HB8s and 9s
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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i've been wondering that recently, so i figured i'd ask you guys what your thoughts on the matter are.

is it better to practice improving your game on average girls until your game is tight enough to score some HB9s (like, a baby steps approach)?

OR is it better to just keep going for the really hot ones until you've landed an HB9.5?

i presume the answer depends on how well the skills required for gaming HB6s and 7s translate to successfully gaming HB8s and 9s
You work your way up the ladder. Part of "game" is CONFIDENCE. And you gain CONFIDENCE thru a repetition of success. One of the most important facets of a DJ is to have an active sex life.
 

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I would suggest to start with the average ones and slowly raise up your aim once you learn the basic and develop a system that works for you however its not that simple.

An average girl doesnt have the pleasure to have a top dog to chase her while her expectation in terms of general attention are met from hordes or normal guys hitting on her.

Many average girls through rejecting average guys somehow feel "hot", they get more mental orgasms rejecting normal guys than having them while keeping an illusion that they are too hot for them.

Not sure if I explained myself, it depends on the country where you live.

Personally hot girls who rejected me did it with politeness and style, average ones made a point to make it obvious, fyi Im average myself.

Some here say that "rejection" is good for you, I personally disagree, rejection weaken the foundation of your confidence since confidence is not built on thir hair as those same guys believe.

In order to be successful you have to be confident and in order to be confident you have to be succesful.

Other option is fake it untill you make it which is often needed to start this positive cycle.
 

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Though luck is a factor in going for hot chicks, it's better to go for the average ones. Problem is, so many guys go for them because they think it's easier. So the countless rejections they deliver makes these women think they're dime pieces, and social media platforms don't help.

Get some things to be confident in, women can see right through a facade.
 

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More important than a woman's attractiveness level is how attractive YOU find her.

Only game women you find sexually attractive and who you actually want to f*ck. Otherwise its not really "practice".

You need to get used to handing women in situations where you care about the result on some level. You will naturally be more uncomfortable around hotter women (studies have been done on this) so whatever you practiced on ugly women can easily go out the window when the stakes seem higher. Just throw yourself to the wolves and learn to live without fear.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Though luck is a factor in going for hot chicks, it's better to go for the average ones. Problem is, so many guys go for them because they think it's easier. So the countless rejections they deliver makes these women think they're dime pieces, and social media platforms don't help.

Get some things to be confident in, women can see right through a facade.
If your phvcking several when you WANT that's true confidence
 

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More important than a woman's attractiveness level is how attractive YOU find her.

Only game women you find sexually attractive and who you actually want to f*ck. Otherwise its not really "practice".

You need to get used to handing women in situations where you care about the result on some level. You will naturally be more uncomfortable around hotter women (studies have been done on this) so whatever you practiced on ugly women can easily go out the window when the stakes seem higher. Just throw yourself to the wolves and learn to live without fear.
Why do the stakes "seem" higher when she is so much more physically attractive? Is it because our "want" goes up really high and it takes us off center? But it's true, unless you are used to being around these your anxiety, heart rate and other things go up...
 

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In my opinion it is due to fear of failure (my own opinion based on my own past experience). It is easier to lower standards and pursue what's easier attainable.

Best way is to aim high and let the chips fall where they may. In my opinion, Scoring an exceptionally hot chick takes me out of my comfort zone, which is a GOOD thing.
This.

If you're not challenging yourself then you're not growing.

Going after the hotties is how I was able to eventually learn to NOT pedestalize women. Hot women are people too with flaws and insecurities like everyone else. But men pedestalize them into these Goddesses and princesses and they don't really deserve it. I can walk up to any 10 now without fear. I even had the opportunity to party with one of the girls from The Bachelor TV show. Turns out she does a lot of coke. While I didn't succeed at f*cking her, it was still an experience I would not of had if I limited myself.

Always aim high. You have nothing to lose. If the b!tch isn't interested.. NEXT.
 

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Why would you want to go after girls that you are not attracted to?

Aim high. Why self limit? A lack of confidence can be cured by pushing your comfort zone.

Full disclosure: I went out with a 5. It ended horribly as my SMV was far above hers.
 

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Though luck is a factor in going for hot chicks, it's better to go for the average ones. Problem is, so many guys go for them because they think it's easier. So the countless rejections they deliver makes these women think they're dime pieces, and social media platforms don't help.

Get some things to be confident in, women can see right through a facade.
This is so true. The entitlement factor for 4,5, and 6's is through the roof these days. Social media has really taken its toll there to be sure.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Many average girls through rejecting average guys somehow feel "hot", they get more mental orgasms rejecting normal guys than having them while keeping an illusion that they are too hot for them.
oh boy, a girl that full of herself would not be enjoyable to date, and she'd certainly be setting herself up for vast disappointment

Some here say that "rejection" is good for you, I personally disagree, rejection weaken the foundation of your confidence since confidence is not built on thir hair as those same guys believe.
learning to deal with rejection is certainly something every guy needs, it's unbecoming to throw a tantrum if you get rejected, and it's inefficient to get depressed and mopey about it or to not take a hint and keep trying(7th times the charm!)

however, once you're past that point in your game all reject really does for you is get you down and erode your motivation (unless you rarely approach or only rarely get rejected)

Though luck is a factor in going for hot chicks, it's better to go for the average ones. Problem is, so many guys go for them because they think it's easier. So the countless rejections they deliver makes these women think they're dime pieces, and social media platforms don't help.
true but a semi-intelligent woman is going to see the difference between being chased after by lost puppies and being hit on by real men (as crazy as the women on the internet/social media are, the men are just as crazy mostly, so she'll mainly be rejecting really pathetic betas )

kind of like how you'd feel good about having a bunch of girls chasing you, but if they were all fat you wouldn't have some sort of super ego about how you can get an HB10 because you've got 3 HB4's on your tail.

though i'm totally not ruling out the existence of idiot women who turn down 5's all day and think that makes them hot sh!t deserving of 9's and 10's

More important than a woman's attractiveness level is how attractive YOU find her.

Only game women you find sexually attractive and who you actually want to f*ck. Otherwise its not really "practice".
Why would you want to go after girls that you are not attracted to?
i was talking about average girls guys, like 6's and 7's (maybe really low 8's or really high 5's), not the ugly gross ones lol.

if she's not attractive enough for you to want to fvck her that's pretty much the definition of ugly rather than average
 

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It's like a boxer he doesn't begin his career and go straight for a title shot

Got to KO a few bums first
 

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Why do the stakes "seem" higher when she is so much more physically attractive? Is it because our "want" goes up really high and it takes us off center? But it's true, unless you are used to being around these your anxiety, heart rate and other things go up...
probably the same reason you might not care if you lose a $5 bill but you'd probably cry if you lost a $100 bill. most guys would see not getting a HB9 as a much bigger deal than not getting some random 6

though the proper mindset suggests that it doesn't really matter either way, neither are big deals.

Best way is to aim high and let the chips fall where they may. In my opinion, Scoring an exceptionally hot chick takes me out of my comfort zone, which is a GOOD thing.
Always aim high. You have nothing to lose. If the b!tch isn't interested.. NEXT.
Aim high. Why self limit? A lack of confidence can be cured by pushing your comfort zone.
well to address these quotes, imo it's a risk vs reward thing

aiming higher is only good if it works out for you, which it might. depends on the guy of course.

for most guys they'd probably have better results by using their tightest game on 6's and 7's, but this forum seems to have a higher caliber of men than most places so i wouldn't be shocked if most of you could do way better while maintaining high success rates.

for most guys, you could hit on 100 HB6's and get 10 lays, or you could hit on 100 HB9's and get 1 lay, not much of a point in aiming high there.
 

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It's like a boxer he doesn't begin his career and go straight for a title shot

Got to KO a few bums first
I was saying a lot of times those 9,10's are "bums"... They don't have anything of their own, they dress and makeup with someone elses money. Etc.
 

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i've been wondering that recently, so i figured i'd ask you guys what your thoughts on the matter are.

is it better to practice improving your game on average girls until your game is tight enough to score some HB9s (like, a baby steps approach)?

OR is it better to just keep going for the really hot ones until you've landed an HB9.5?
The latter.

You are assuming by the time you get good with women, the good looking girls will be available to be hit on. Of course you don't want to make a fool of yourself, but if you find any girl attractive, go for it.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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i've been wondering that recently, so i figured i'd ask you guys what your thoughts on the matter are.

is it better to practice improving your game on average girls until your game is tight enough to score some HB9s (like, a baby steps approach)?

OR is it better to just keep going for the really hot ones until you've landed an HB9.5?

i presume the answer depends on how well the skills required for gaming HB6s and 7s translate to successfully gaming HB8s and 9s
Treat all girls the same. Treat the 9 or 9.5 the same as you would a 6 a 7 or an 8.

When you seperate your thoughs like she is a 9 i should... ... the you start to pedestalize them.

Treat all girls the same. None are more special than any others.
 

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Treat all girls the same. Treat the 9 or 9.5 the same as you would a 6 a 7 or an 8.

When you seperate your thoughs like she is a 9 i should... ... the you start to pedestalize them.

Treat all girls the same. None are more special than any others.
well yeah, you're not going to get a girl by thinking too highly of her that's pretty basic but rather important stuff.

but think of it like this, if you can pick up HB9's your game doesn't really need improvement, it needs maintenence, if you can't pick up 9's but you can get 6's, it needs refining and improvement and practice until it gets to a much higher level

if you can't pick up 6's or 9's, then you either have no game at all, or whatever you have needs to be completely scrapped, remade and overhauled from scratch, the distinction can be pretty important
 
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