penkitten
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some marriages are filled with love and lust and happiness between the two parties involved. mine is.KontrollerX said:
believe it or not, not all marriages are bad. not all of them end up horrible. :moon:
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
is everyone on this forum just after a fuk?
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believe it or not, not all marriages are bad. not all of them end up horrible. :moon:
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
KontrollerX
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"What? Where did I say that? I love the "you only think like that because you believe everything your parents tell you" style response BTW. Rather than discuss the issue, you resort to condescension and personal attacks. real class act, man."
Oh like that strawman you built wasn't condescending and totally misrepresenting my position?
"^^ The same type of "enlightened" people who think getting married is an "evil, outdated institution." Suit yourself...."
I never said it was evil.
I just said its a lifeless government contract.
Real love exists outside a legal document and does not require a legal document.
"some marriages are filled with love and lust and happiness between the two parties involved. mine is.
believe it or not, not all marriages are bad. not all of them end up horrible."
You could have all that love and living together and raising kids together without signing a legal agreement.
"True, but there aren't many people who can resist that kind of social conditioning."
This is the best damn point in the thread and why so many are resistant to the perfectly reasonable things I've been saying.
Oh like that strawman you built wasn't condescending and totally misrepresenting my position?
"^^ The same type of "enlightened" people who think getting married is an "evil, outdated institution." Suit yourself...."
I never said it was evil.
I just said its a lifeless government contract.
Real love exists outside a legal document and does not require a legal document.
"some marriages are filled with love and lust and happiness between the two parties involved. mine is.
believe it or not, not all marriages are bad. not all of them end up horrible."
You could have all that love and living together and raising kids together without signing a legal agreement.
"True, but there aren't many people who can resist that kind of social conditioning."
This is the best damn point in the thread and why so many are resistant to the perfectly reasonable things I've been saying.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
yes... but without that legal agreement, neither of us has a say so in medical emergencies that may arise. when you just live together, you do not get to even be informed of everything in emergency situations.KontrollerX said:
penkitten
Master Don Juan
i'm sorry i heard "blah blah blah blah blah blahStéphane said:
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
guywhoneedshelp
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Well some girls I meet and put them in the "good for a fuk" category but of course I hope to meet the girl that can go in the "good for a girlfriend" category.chance- said:
Searching for someone special, could be the next one, or the one after, or the one after that breaks my heart next ...who knows. In the mean time, some of them are good for sex.
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I agree with Darth and Penkitten. I think that marriage is a good thing. But hey,as they say,to each his own. If Kontroller X doesn't support marriage and thinks that it's a "lifeless government contract",that's his choice,although I completely disagree with him. I do believe that a man and a woman can love each other without being married,but to me,getting married is the "ultimate" expression of that love. I mean,think about it. What would really,really let you know that your partner loved you? Her having sex with you? Please,we ALL know better than that. Would her cooking and cleaning for you do it? That would be closer,in fact,her cooking and cleaning for me would be a greater sign of her love than her just having sex with me would. Women get drunk and have sex with guys all the time,but I've never heard of a woman getting drunk then going home with a guy and cleaning his house,
If a woman slept with you and cooked for you,that might let you know that she cares for you,but if she told you that she wanted to be your wife,that would really let you know that she loves you,(that is,if the two of you have been dating for a while). Because what's she's actually saying to you is she wants to be with you,near you,around you,she's saying that out of all of the thousands of thousands of other men out there,she's choosing to be with you,and she wants the whole WORLD to know about it.
She wants to be yours. She wants your name to become her name. So when people call your name,she answers. Not only that,but she's saying that she wants to be with you and only you for the rest of her life! If this ain't love,I don't know what is.
Marriage is honorable,and highly respected. There are a lot of guys who will still try to date a woman if she's "just dating" a guy,but if they find out that she's married,that she's another man's wife, most guys(not all) will back off because they respect marriage. They don't want to be responsible for coming between a man and his wife.
Like I said at the beginning,to each his own. This is just my opinion.
If a woman slept with you and cooked for you,that might let you know that she cares for you,but if she told you that she wanted to be your wife,that would really let you know that she loves you,(that is,if the two of you have been dating for a while). Because what's she's actually saying to you is she wants to be with you,near you,around you,she's saying that out of all of the thousands of thousands of other men out there,she's choosing to be with you,and she wants the whole WORLD to know about it.
She wants to be yours. She wants your name to become her name. So when people call your name,she answers. Not only that,but she's saying that she wants to be with you and only you for the rest of her life! If this ain't love,I don't know what is.
Marriage is honorable,and highly respected. There are a lot of guys who will still try to date a woman if she's "just dating" a guy,but if they find out that she's married,that she's another man's wife, most guys(not all) will back off because they respect marriage. They don't want to be responsible for coming between a man and his wife.
Like I said at the beginning,to each his own. This is just my opinion.
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jafyk
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Yeah, especially the likes of ElStud, lol.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
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not me.
Miguel
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I only have one thing to say to this entire topic.
I want to spend the rest of my days with the girl (Or girls) I am most attracted too. Either it be through marriage or wedlock, lonely together, or heck even like 70 old Hugh. I want the best in life and I don’t want anyone dictating how that’s going to be.
I`ll make my stand, my choices based on what I feel is right. Call me crazy I guess.
End of story.
I want to spend the rest of my days with the girl (Or girls) I am most attracted too. Either it be through marriage or wedlock, lonely together, or heck even like 70 old Hugh. I want the best in life and I don’t want anyone dictating how that’s going to be.
I`ll make my stand, my choices based on what I feel is right. Call me crazy I guess.
End of story.
KontrollerX
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"yes... but without that legal agreement, neither of us has a say so in medical emergencies that may arise. when you just live together, you do not get to even be informed of everything in emergency situations."
And that should change.
We need a new law that allows this for people in serious relationships.
So what you said here still isn't a shining endorsement of marriage, what you said basically means we need some new laws for people who don't want to be forced into getting married just to visit their loved one in the hospital.
No one should be forced into getting married over what should already be a natural right.
And for the more tricky matters like being informed of more things and getting a say so on whether to pull the plug with life support and such the members of the LTR should be able to go sign some legal waiver thing giving eachother the right to handle these matters for their partner and when and if that relationship should end they both need to go immediately dissolve the rights those waivers gave to them and it wouldn't take both people to dissolve the waiver in my idea but just one person who no longer wants them to be effective.
"married is the "ultimate" expression of that love."
Dude...
Its only a ritual.
It is not the shared love between two people itself.
It is nothing special.
Nothing at all.
The good feeling surrounding it comes as the result of societal peer pressure and brainwashing and finally being able to overcome the fear of being ostracized for not doing it.
In short you are now free from all the societal expectations vomited on you by the media, family and friends your whole life and are enjoying that internal freedom all the while at the same time you don't realize you've been and are a slave to other's expectations and just following the script as another member of the status quo.
After the ceremony is over, the people are gone and your wedding clothes are replaced by the old standard t-shirt and blue jeans while your woman is dressed in some el cheapo pantsuit from Walmart you are both the same people with the same amount of interest and attraction as you were before the whole enterprise took place.
You might be on a high from the wedding ritual for a few weeks/months afterwards but after that dies down like any drug high the party is soon over and cold brutal reality sets back in and whatever was there with your woman will be there for you now and its not going to get any better than this and infact may get worse over time as there will be no competitive fire left between you two to keep either of you loyal to the other.
Marriage isn't going to make your relationship any better or guarantee its longevity.
Its merely a ritual and a legal document making you party to an extremely unstable corporation that should it fail you will lose half your assets and fairness does not even come into play.
And that should change.
We need a new law that allows this for people in serious relationships.
So what you said here still isn't a shining endorsement of marriage, what you said basically means we need some new laws for people who don't want to be forced into getting married just to visit their loved one in the hospital.
No one should be forced into getting married over what should already be a natural right.
And for the more tricky matters like being informed of more things and getting a say so on whether to pull the plug with life support and such the members of the LTR should be able to go sign some legal waiver thing giving eachother the right to handle these matters for their partner and when and if that relationship should end they both need to go immediately dissolve the rights those waivers gave to them and it wouldn't take both people to dissolve the waiver in my idea but just one person who no longer wants them to be effective.
"married is the "ultimate" expression of that love."
Dude...
Its only a ritual.
It is not the shared love between two people itself.
It is nothing special.
Nothing at all.
The good feeling surrounding it comes as the result of societal peer pressure and brainwashing and finally being able to overcome the fear of being ostracized for not doing it.
In short you are now free from all the societal expectations vomited on you by the media, family and friends your whole life and are enjoying that internal freedom all the while at the same time you don't realize you've been and are a slave to other's expectations and just following the script as another member of the status quo.
After the ceremony is over, the people are gone and your wedding clothes are replaced by the old standard t-shirt and blue jeans while your woman is dressed in some el cheapo pantsuit from Walmart you are both the same people with the same amount of interest and attraction as you were before the whole enterprise took place.
You might be on a high from the wedding ritual for a few weeks/months afterwards but after that dies down like any drug high the party is soon over and cold brutal reality sets back in and whatever was there with your woman will be there for you now and its not going to get any better than this and infact may get worse over time as there will be no competitive fire left between you two to keep either of you loyal to the other.
Marriage isn't going to make your relationship any better or guarantee its longevity.
Its merely a ritual and a legal document making you party to an extremely unstable corporation that should it fail you will lose half your assets and fairness does not even come into play.
guywhoneedshelp
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Listen to Tom Leykis talk about marriage and you will be convinced there is no benefit for men to get married. And he's absolutely right.
YES WE ARE HERE TO FUK and SO ARE YOU.
For a man that is the reward, that is what ultimatley what we are after (no matter if you are looking for ONS, dating, LTR or marriage). We are always looking for some good pvssy! Whether its one pvssy or many pussies, and the choice to make whether we want to keep hitting one all the time or many.
Are you telling me that when you first saw a hot girl, the first thought that went through your head was "Gosh she is going to make a great LTR" NOOOOOOOOOOOO! the first thought that went through you head was " I WANT TO TAP THAT ASS and do NASTY STUFF TO HER" and then you rationalise the whole thing by feeling ashamed about wanting only that (thanks the female shaming tactics) and thinking that you are better then most guys by jumping on the whole LTR bandwagon because you want to be in "love"
What you are doing is essentially trying to exchange her pvssy for your security/being faithful and hoping that a high interest (AKA love) will make it ok in your girl's eyes in doing this exchange. Pvssy should really be selling on the stock market with this kind of thinking, some sell pvssies for a penny!!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_CV09uRKig&feature=related
For a man that is the reward, that is what ultimatley what we are after (no matter if you are looking for ONS, dating, LTR or marriage). We are always looking for some good pvssy! Whether its one pvssy or many pussies, and the choice to make whether we want to keep hitting one all the time or many.
Are you telling me that when you first saw a hot girl, the first thought that went through your head was "Gosh she is going to make a great LTR" NOOOOOOOOOOOO! the first thought that went through you head was " I WANT TO TAP THAT ASS and do NASTY STUFF TO HER" and then you rationalise the whole thing by feeling ashamed about wanting only that (thanks the female shaming tactics) and thinking that you are better then most guys by jumping on the whole LTR bandwagon because you want to be in "love"
What you are doing is essentially trying to exchange her pvssy for your security/being faithful and hoping that a high interest (AKA love) will make it ok in your girl's eyes in doing this exchange. Pvssy should really be selling on the stock market with this kind of thinking, some sell pvssies for a penny!!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_CV09uRKig&feature=related
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
See, that's just not true. I'll just speak for myself...DJDamage said:
The first thought that goes through my mind is, "What a pretty girl. I want to meet her." (then figure out an opener). I can honestly swear that my first thought when I see a hot girl is never sex, or doing "nasty stuff" to her. I admire her looks of course, but I'm not walking down the street oggling girls thinking like a porn director.
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For some that is likely true, but others wish to improve themselves for the sake of simply improving themselves.
It doesn't matter if its your first, second third or tenth thought. Eventually you are going to start thinking about nailing her, you are biologically programmed to do so there is no escape.Darth said:
That is like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg??!! People on here want to improve themsleves, yes that is true but its always gets back to getting pvssy, otherwise you would be on a Dr Phil Forum.Relationship-Buddy said: