"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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If ANY woman wants him, then others will
yes, but not all others.





When the scenario plays out and the dude is dumped and the women are best friends again(my specific scenario I wrote about) its analysed that he wasn't a good match anyways.

and @Pandora,
I was thinking about why I was attracted to that dude. He was in the RHLI, the Reserves, and he actually dressed in alot of the army colours(that green and tan colours)
He epitomised a warrior type and he was excruciatingly kind and doting but still selfcontained and abruptly alpha.
Stocky and reputation for being tough but not cut-muscular(which is what I seek now) His height I don't even remember, so that wasn't in my attraction criteria.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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yes, but not all others.
Agree. I was mentioning to the guys, it's better to "date" with that "6" or "7" that really wants you vs going on a long drought in your focused effort to reach the "8" or "9". Once one babe in the environment wants you so will others.




When the scenario plays out and the dude is dumped and the women are best friends again(my specific scenario I wrote about) its analysed that he wasn't a good match anyways.
Whose best friends? The woman and the butch?

and @Pandora,
I was thinking about why I was attracted to that dude. He was in the RHLI, the Reserves, and he actually dressed in alot of the army colours(that green and tan colours)
He epitomised a warrior type and he was excruciatingly kind and doting but still selfcontained and abruptly alpha.
Stocky and reputation for being tough but not cut-muscular(which is what I seek now) His height I don't even remember, so that wasn't in my attraction criteria.
You want cut-muscular, does that get your blood revved up?
 

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It’s just funny how a woman can beat you over the head only so many times “we are just friends, I told you I don’t want a relationship, you are a great guy but I’m just not interested in dating you” and you finally go off and date someone else. Then here they come “who’s she? Why aren’t you texting me like you used to? Why don’t you hangout with me anymore”. It’s like they want to sell the friendship treatment but when you finally give up and treat THEM like the friend, they scream and cry foul.lol
That "friend zone" crap is bull. They know that guy wants them, and she keeps in there to juice up her ego. Once he un-"friend zones" himself, then she loses that "boost" he formerly provided.
 

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And not just ANY someone else, but a BETTER someone else. (....)That’s a hell of a gamble. (....) he just simply and quietly moved on.
Its a calculated 'gamble'. Then he wouldn't have lasted longterm = poor match. Congrats to him for finding his 'BETTER' slvt.
He wouldn't have loved me after post *** clarity and my guarded low 'notch count' would have been further smeared and wasted on a lustful, not loving man.
 
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Agree. I was mentioning to the guys, it's better to "date" with that "6" or "7" that really wants you vs going on a long drought in your focused effort to reach the "8" or "9". Once one babe in the environment wants you so will others.





Whose best friends? The woman and the butch?

You want cut-muscular, does that get your blood revved up?
Yes, those 2 women.

And yes my dear, I admit that it(cut muscularity)does. Dammit I want that intimidation factor holding my hand wherever I go. Sorry if it sounds like I'm using men as bodyguards now.

Its how I know I'm not ace like I previously identified.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Its a calculated 'gamble'. Then he wouldn't have lasted longterm = poor match. Congrats to him for finding his 'BETTER' slvt.
He wouldn't have loved me after post *** clarity and my guarded low 'notch count' would have been further smeared and wasted on a lustful, not loving man.
Hey now... We men can be full of lust and full of love for the same person. It's better that way. And it's better for our women to have a shyt ton of lust and a shyt ton of love for us.
 

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I see it. It's true.
What is it about friendzoning a guy? Maybe she thinks he'll make a good start to her social circle(social proof pantry stores to use for future luring of unsuspecting seductees?)
The women that have done it to me have come out of “bad relationships”(their words) and we’d date a couple months and then they’d lay the “let’s be friends, I’m not ready to be in a serious relationship, I need to get over my ex”. They wait until I’ve already somewhat invested in them and it makes it harder to walk away rather than had they done it from the getgo or after a date or two. Then what they do is continue pursuing you like they did before they gave you that speech and it feels like a relationship but the sex is cut off. Then they string you along some more “I like you, I want you in my life, just not ready for a relationship”. Then they slowly start tightening the friends screws and searching for someone new while keeping you on the back burner. They make sure to hangout with you and keep in contact just enough so you don’t have time to go meet someone else.
 
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It's probably better that you have that.
thanks, I'm trying to strategise more cunningly now.
I'm thinking a parttime job in a gym.
I can get the eye candy, free membership too, judge and discern at leisure(and get paid for it...yes minimum wage but who gives a flying ****? I already have a fulltime day job)
I can exchange two skills....I'm not just going to take, take, take.

One skill: I have a cheerleading, pollyanna personality and have a generous nature of complimenting, encouraging, kissing up and motivating while protecting a man's self pride and ego AND 2nd skill: I'm cooking more and more so I can share freely all the healthy recipes I'm using, and there's my plausible deniability for number closing these muscular guys at my parttime workplace.

Good idea, no?
 
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The women that have done it to me have come out of “bad relationships”(their words) and we’d date a couple months and then they’d lay the “let’s be friends, I’m not ready to be in a serious relationship, I need to get over my ex”. They wait until I’ve already somewhat invested in them and it makes it harder to walk away rather than had they done it from the getgo or afternoon a date or two. Then what they do is continue pursuing you like they did before they gave you that speech and it feels like a relationship but the sex is cut off. Then they string you along some more “I like you, I want you in my life, just not ready for a relationship”. Then they slowly start tightening the friends screws and searching for someone new while keeping you on the back burner. They make sure to hangout with you and keep in contact just enough so you don’t have time to go meet someone else.
awww, that's somewhat abusive to you man. You're right, why couldn't they have at least told you the first afternoon? Sorry this has happened to you. **** them, s & d, full nc man. You are a good guy that won't put up with this.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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awww, that's somewhat abusive to you man. You're right, why couldn't they have at least told you the first afternoon? Sorry this has happened to you. **** them, s & d, full nc man. You are a good guy that won't put up with this.
That’s why I never will ever be friends with a woman ever again. I make it clear up front, if you utter the F word around me I will ghost you. Last girl that did me like that I genuinely loved her, other girls saw how I treated her and thought “hey, I want that! Just because she can’t see it doesn’t mean I can’t!” and she lost out in the end. She doesn’t know it but she lost the one guy whose love for her was genuine which is why I held on as long as I did and tolerated that treatment as long as I did. I’m glad I’m out of it though because the woman that claimed me from her, treated me awesome. She was HOT too. That other girl knew she screwed up even though she’ll never admit it.
 

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That’s why I never will ever be friends with a woman ever again. I make it clear up front, if you utter the F word around me I will ghost you. Last girl that did me like that I genuinely loved her, other girls saw how I treated her and thought “hey, I want that! Just because she can’t see it doesn’t mean I can’t!” and she lost out in the end. She doesn’t know it but she lost the one guy whose love for her was genuine which is why I held on as long as I did and tolerated that treatment as long as I did. I’m glad I’m out of it though because the woman that claimed me from her, treated me awesome. She was HOT too. That other girl knew she screwed up even though she’ll never admit it.
Awesome!!
Win!
Its challenging when you love someone so hard but its not reciprocated in kind. The same way.
There was something on wikihow about this and how to avoid loving someone who doesn't love you back.

Wikihow is something I use because when I google something I usually ask the internet in the form of a question and wikihow always seems to come up in my search results.
I use other ways of searching the internet too but the question asking is my favourite
 

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Yes, those 2 women.

And yes my dear, I admit that it(cut muscularity)does. Dammit I want that intimidation factor holding my hand wherever I go. Sorry if it sounds like I'm using men as bodyguards now.

Its how I know I'm not ace like I previously identified.
Your "not ace"? What does that mean?
 

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It mostly comes down to whether a girl is attracted to your looks. There is also something to kissing where that can be enhanced or lost though. About to start updating my theories as I've been away. Looking forward to immersing into this key topic.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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