Is all Game just a Numbers Game?

[spinaroonie]

Here's the dating philosophy of one renowned player (slept with 200+ women):

"Take my word for it since I’ve spent years doing the research (or do it yourself and waste time): you will gain nothing by talking longer and possibly you’ll torpedo the opportunity. Once you’ve gotten her number, move on. First of all, it’s likely that you’ll say something that works against you. The “stranger” light is blinking in her head and plenty can disqualify you. If you’ve got the number, you’ve already been qualified – what more do you want? As I’ve said, women travel this world looking for reasons to disqualify otherwise decent men. If she’s given you the digits, you’re done for the moment. Save that funny line you’re dying to use.

The other reason to move on is that there are other girls around, and since it’s a numbers game, you need to get to work. On a good day, I may get seven numbers of women I think are quite attractive. I’ve found that I sleep with 11% of the women whose numbers I get (more on this later). That breaks down to two girls for every three days of numbers, more-or-less.

But back to the categories in women’s heads. They’re like bins, these categories. And what I’ve found is that you can’t move from stranger to intimate or even friend/acquaintance by bull****ting on the street. You’re better off saving it. When you text her that night, you’re still the “guy from the street,” whether you spent 30 seconds saying “hi” or thirty minutes sharing about where you went to school and what you do for work. This has been corroborated by another player here in NYC. Accept your loss ratio and work on top-line. Trying to make an “impression” on each girl also is futile because you’re up against another tenet of the game:

A difficult woman remains difficult.

Basically, if the girl is fun and carefree, the forty-five seconds you spend are sufficient; she’ll respond and you’ll meet and shag. If she’s difficult – which is a general term for women who are skeptical, suspicious, haughty, *****y, condescending and/or rude – no amount of chatting is going to overcome her normal disposition. You won’t **** her with a 30 second stop-and-chat, but you won’t **** her with the investment of an hour of top game. Let her go. That’s the beauty of the game. Next!"

- Paul Janka, Attraction Formula (p. 24)


How much truth is there to his mindset?

 

[Deep Dish]

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/the-numbers-game-fallacy/

The Numbers Game Fallacy

Trolls often ask “isn’t pickup just a numbers game”? I say trolls, because it’s rare you’ll hear this question from an honest person sincerely seeking answers. The question is farcical once you dig into it a bit, and anti-gamers like to use it in an attempt to discredit game/evolutionary biology/sex differences/female hypergamy…. pick any one or all. (Funnily enough, you’ll hardly ever hear women using it, probably because women don’t like to think of themselves as numbers.)

The “numbers game” fallacy is similar to the “hours game” fallacy. Think of a great musician. He has to put in a lot of hours of practice to get great at his craft. Once greatness is achieved, a person asserting an “hours game” argument would contend that the musician’s continued greatness depends on all the hours he puts into playing. But that is not the case. A great musician, once trained, can play five minutes a week and still be great compared to the non-musician or hobbyist musician.

So it is with game and pickup. Logically and unavoidably, most neophytes will make more approaches in order to put their game theory to practice in the field. That is how you get good. Simply reading about game and approaching one woman per year won’t cut it. But once a number of up-front approaches have been made — once the steepest part of the learning curve has been crested — and the aspiring seducer has improved his game acumen, then he can reduce his number of approaches while still enjoying a very good sex and love life because his odds of any one approach resulting in a fück close have measurably increased over his previous, game-less baseline.

…Not to mention, a numbers game mentality will do nothing for you once you’re already in a relationship with a woman you love. Having no game at that stage is risking a lot; a lot more than a measly five minute approach in a bar. And it’s not like you can numbers game your girlfriend over and over until she falls back in love with you.

 

[SoSuave666]

I would agree that once you become kind of a "master" of game it becomes easier. The difference between a musician and a "player" is that the musician doesn't depend on anything else to be good. A guitar, although can be varied from user to user, is still a guitar. A woman is a human being. A player can greatly increase his chances with experience, but there is no guarantee that he can pull that hb9 who has a boyfriend of 5 years. A talented musician can learn any musical piece through enough practice.

I think it's a numbers game in the fact that you always need to go out and put yourself out there. If rejected, you'll find another one. So you keep trying and keep trying. The same way a musician would continue to practice if he couldn't learn a specific song. He would put in the hours to ensure he could. In a similar way a player needs to put in the approaches to ensure he gets a quality girl.

You definitely get experience through approaches, and it does guarantee you a better success rate over the long run, but not every girl is going to become enamored with you just because you are practiced at the art of pick up.

 

[bigneil]

I've never been convinced that the number of women a man sleeps with has much meaning.

If a man could really get any woman he wanted, it seems he would have stuck with a few long enough that he wouldn't have time for 200 others.

Have you even liked 200 women in your life?

 

[J Roc]

If a man could really get any woman he wanted, it seems he would have stuck with a few long enough that he wouldn't have time for 200 others.

WHAT IF A MAN HAS NO DESIRE TO STICK AROUND....