Is 6' now considered "short"?

[RichardTheFrog]

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=717177

 

[Urbanyst]

That doesn't even make sense.

Yeah? Why is that?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Yeah? Why is that?

Because how is height or race a status?

 

[Urbanyst]

Because how is height or race a status?

Are you serious?

Tall men are considered higher status (all other things being equal).

Same with race where certain races are considered higher status than others.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Are you serious?

Tall men are considered higher status (all other things being equal).

Same with race where certain races are considered higher status than others.

So what does it take for a 5'7" guy to make up for not being tall?

 

[Urbanyst]

So what does it take for a 5'7" guy to make up for not being tall?

VALUE.

Money, looks, game and frame. The same sh*t we all know already lol.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

VALUE.

Money, looks, game and frame. The same sh*t we all know already lol.

I can't do much to change my looks. I'm not getting plastic surgery.

Money is what I can work on.

And attitude. Treat them all like sh1t.

 

[guru1000]

I can't do much to change my looks. I'm not getting plastic surgery.

1) Why not?

2) With all these complaints about not attracting hot women, why in the hell haven't you started to work out?

 

[Evaus]

I can't do much to change my looks. I'm not getting plastic surgery.

Money is what I can work on.

And attitude. Treat them all like sh1t.

Wake up call men: Most 9s and 10s in metropolitan cities, beginning at 25 yo, are getting at least one of the following done:

• Botox
• Cheek filler;
• Jaw filler;
  
• Lip filler,
• Boob-job;
• Butt augmentation;
• Liposuction;
• Ultherapy;
• Chemical/Laser peels;
• Vampire facials.

IF you are first hearing about this here, then you aren't dating enough hot women.

Richard if you want to date hot women you need to become one.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

1) Why not?

2) With all these complaints about not attracting hot women, why in the hell haven't you started to work out?

I guess I just don't really care. That is a huge investment of time and not sure it will yield results. I would rather focus on making lots of money. I saw lots of muscle guys alone when I last went out. I don't recall you being super muscular in your picture.

You never answered what it was that girls value about you.

And what's my prize at the end of the rainbow for all this effort? A stinky pu$$y?

And last girl I talked to told me my hair wasn't thinning in her opinion.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Richard if you want to date hot women you need to become one.

Did you do this?

Is that list referring to guys or girls?

 

[guru1000]

You never answered what it was that girls value about you.

In order of importance:

1) Face;
2) Physique;
3) Ambition;
4) Status/Wealth;
5) Attitude/Social Acuity;
6) Intelligence

 

[RichardTheFrog]

In order of importance:

1) Face;
2) Physique;
3) Ambition;
3) Status/Wealth;
4) Attitude;
5) Intelligence

I don't know how to tell what is a good looking face on a guy. Did you always have a good looking face or did you get it artificially?

I have already spent money on silicone filler in my d1ck and laser hair removal on face and down below. I suppose a little more wouldn't hurt. What did you suggest that I get? What kind of filler and what do I tell the doctor? I can't find the old thread.

Also, I don't remember you being super muscular in your picture. There were guys down town who were super muscular and weren't getting any. So what's the difference?

I'll get the plastic surgery and hair transplant if I can afford it.

And keep in mind that I have been called attractive by attractive girls before. Not all the time, but it's happened.

 

[guru1000]

I don't know how to tell what is a good looking face on a guy. Did you always have a good looking face or did you get it artificially?

I have already spent money on silicone filler in my d1ck and laser hair removal on face and down below. I suppose a little more wouldn't hurt. What did you suggest that I get? What kind of filler and what do I tell the doctor? I can't find the old thread.

Also, I don't remember you being super muscular in your picture. There were guys down town who were super muscular and weren't getting any. So what's the difference?

I'll get the plastic surgery and hair transplant if I can afford it.

I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm 6'1 190, 8-9% bf; proportional aesthetics. Built like a fitness model.

The market directs whom is good-looking which encompasses high, angular cheekbones, pronounced angular jawline, low brow, and proportional remaining aesthetics. I'm naturally good-looking, but also enhanced.

I'm not repeating. If you have enough desire, you will find the thread, and do your own due diligence. As you have yet to set foot in a gym, my words are left on deaf ears.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm 6'1 190, 8-9% bf; proportional aesthetics. Built like a fitness model.

The market directs whom is good-looking which encompasses high, angular cheekbones, pronounced angular jawline, low brow, and proportional remaining aesthetics. I'm naturally good-looking, but also enhanced.

I'm not repeating. If you have enough desire, you will find the thread, and do your own due diligence. As you have yet to set foot in a gym, my words are left on deaf ears.

Okay. I'll look for it when I get home. My phone isn't making it easy to find.

So you attribute the vast amount of your success to looks? Can I ask what you do for a living or even how much you make? I don't know if that's appropriate, but I spend so much time talking and thinking about money that it seems like a normal question to me. Especially on this anonymous forum and how it relates to pickup.

 

[guru1000]

Okay. I'll look for it when I get home. My phone isn't making it easy to find.

So you attribute the vast amount of your success to looks? Can I ask what you do for a living or even how much you make? I don't know if that's appropriate, but I spend so much time talking and thinking about money that it seems like a normal question to me. Especially on this anonymous forum and how it relates to pickup.

Good question.

I attribute most of my success to looks. But looks only open the door. Then it's "game," which really means social awareness and acuity.

My money and profession are not important in this discussion because when I meet women on OLD or in person, these women do not know what I do for a living--nor do I share this info until they are already closed. The status/wealth becomes more relevant for LTRing, not initial attraction (unless you play status/wealth game). I could exploit status/wealth to my advantage to attract but I'm more interested in finding a girl who values (and will promote interrelational) "ambition" rather than exploit the free ride.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Good question.

I attribute most of my success to looks. But looks only open the door. Then it's "game," which really means social awareness and acuity.

My money and profession are not important in this discussion because when I meet women on OLD or in person, these women do not know what I do for a living--nor do I share this info until they are already closed. The status/wealth becomes more relevant for LTRing, not initial attraction (unless you play status/wealth game). I could exploit status/wealth to my advantage to attract but I'm more interested in finding a girl who values (and will promote interrelational) "ambition" rather than exploit the free ride.

You sent me your pics via PM. Here is my evaluation:

1) Face: You need contours. Notice your cheek, cheekbones, and temples are flat, and it doesn't appear as you have low-bodyfat where such would be justified. Men don't need volume in their cheeks (see GQ models), but if you are lacking cheek volume you definitely need high, full cheekbones to maximize your facial aesthetics. Francis Palmer, renowned plastic surgeon out of Beverly Hills avers that full cheekbones in a man's face accounts for 70% of his attractiveness. Accordingly, if you lack both cheeks and full cheekbones most of your facial attractiveness is gone.

The good news is this is a not an expensive "deficiency" to redress. Today, we have injectable fillers such as Radiesse, Scuptra, Juverderm, Volumna, inter alia. These fillers are injected in the areas where you need volume and then convert to collagen over time. I suspect you need about 4-5 ccs of any of these fillers, which will cost you roughly $3-4,000. These fillers are temporary lasting only 1-2 years. If you want a more permanent filler, it's advisable to start with the temporary ones then eventually get more permanent fillers like fat, which can be extracted from anywhere in the body and then injected. If you elect to go this route, ensure the dermatologist or PS is board-certified.

You could add up to 2-3 pts to your overall SMV with the above.

Your hair is noticeably thinning. Make a choice. Keep your hair or shave it off. If you choose to keep your hair get on a Finasteride/Avodart, minoxodil, RU58841 protocol. You may request hair to transplanted via FUT, between 2500-5000 follicles, which can cost between $15,000-$30,000. Or just buzz cut/shave it off. But don't leave thinning hair on top of your head as the alternative, which leaves you looking ungroomed and sloppy.

Correcting this hair issue will allow you to add up to one point to your SMV.

2) Body: You don't look like you have ever worked out? You need to focalize on training, diet, and cardio. A man can add up to 2-3 pts. to his total SMV with physique alone. Why would you neglect such a critical part of your value?


3) Style: Your clothes make you appear as you don't get "it." Meet with a style consultant or read style magazines. My casual goto is a Hugo Boss white dress shirt, tailored and fitted but not too tight, designer jeans, and stylish high-end leather shoes. The Rolex doesn't hurt either. You don't need a Rolex but get a watch that augments your hopefully soon-to-be sophistication and style.

This could add up to 1 pt. to your perceived SMV.

I have more to say, but don't have the time. I outlined, briefly, ways you could add up to 5-7 points to the physicality portion of your SMV.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Good question.

I attribute most of my success to looks. But looks only open the door. Then it's "game," which really means social awareness and acuity.

My money and profession are not important in this discussion because when I meet women on OLD or in person, these women do not know what I do for a living--nor do I share this info until they are already closed. The status/wealth becomes more relevant for LTRing, not initial attraction (unless you play status/wealth game). I could exploit status/wealth to my advantage to attract but I'm more interested in finding a girl who values (and will promote interrelational) "ambition" rather than exploit the free ride.

I copied and pasted that thread. Now what happens if I spend all this time and money getting my face injected with stuff and it doesn't help me any? What if people can tell and they laugh at me? Then what? What if it does no good at all?

And how can you not tell girls what you do for a living? Do you at least give off an aura of being successful? Certainly they must think you have money to a certain degree, right? They don't think you're broke, do they?

Btw, why are you telling me to choose whether to keep or shave my hair when I have a full head of hair? I am not balding in any way, shape, or form. Are you SURE that this is good advice?

 

[Evaus]

I copied and pasted that thread. Now what happens if I spend all this time and money getting my face injected with stuff and it doesn't help me any? What if people can tell and they laugh at me? Then what? What if it does no good at all?

And how can you not tell girls what you do for a living? Do you at least give off an aura of being successful? Certainly they must think you have money to a certain degree, right? They don't think you're broke, do they?

Btw, why are you telling me to choose whether to keep or shave my hair when I have a full head of hair? I am not balding in any way, shape, or form. Are you SURE that this is good advice?

If it doesn't work just tell people you transformed into a real life Ken doll for Halloween. You could wind up getting featured on TV My Strange Addiction and get side gigs in carnival freak shows.