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IOIs and a question on them

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What's going on guys well I have a question. Can someone point.me in the direction of a list of IOIs and here's the scenario I have a question on.

This girl at work has been starting up conversation with me all the time, always smiling at me, and always waiting for me to walk with her ( like down the hall way, to cafeteria etc ) . And she asked.me if took this other girl out to the movies , she was fully interested in knowing that answer. But are all those examples of IOIs? She seemels interested or am I wrong?

We were talking about haunted houses and trails and she said oh yeah I want to go to this haunted house blah blah . I need to find somebody to go with.

Also a good.sign but here's the thing I'm reluctant to get her number because I work with her. If things go sour then it would be, worse case scenario, awkward at work. However she seems cool, down to earth, and a BMS major ;D and it would be fun to get to know her. Any input on this ? I work with her tomorrow I might just snag her number just cause
 

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After three IOIs it is possible to go in for the kiss
Examples of IOIs:
1. If she starts playing with her hair
2. If she laughs at things that are not funny (being giggly)
3. If she asks you her name
4. You squeaze her hand, she squeazes back.
 

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SeymourCake said:
After three IOIs it is possible to go in for the kiss
Examples of IOIs:
1. If she starts playing with her hair Nope, not really a huge IOI, she could just be nervous or fidgety
2. If she laughs at things that are not funny (being giggly)
3. If she asks you her name do you mean YOUR name? if youve asked hers, she will ask yours anyway if she has any manners, but yeah if she doesn't then she's not interested - probably finds you creepy...
4. You squeaze her hand, she squeazes back.here, i guess you'd be holding hands anyway, so that would be in the kino zone ;)
JohnChops

What about incocent touching ?

Means she's comfortable around you and having you in her personal place. It depends on the girl tbh since some know how to and will play you like a fiddle this would be one of her tools for the AFC to go.
'ooh she's touching me, she likes me of course ill give her a ride to work everyday for the next week even though its well out of my way - NO dont give me money, I want to do it, I'm a nice guy like that.'
Could be she's trying to recruit a new orbiter, but from the story you tell here, I would say Interested:up:
Unless theres more to this story?
 

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Purefilth said:

JohnChops

What about incocent touching ?

Means she's comfortable around you and having you in her personal place. It depends on the girl tbh since some know how to and will play you like a fiddle this would be one of her tools for the AFC to go.
'ooh she's touching me, she likes me of course ill give her a ride to work everyday for the next week even though its well out of my way - NO dont give me money, I want to do it, I'm a nice guy like that.'
Could be she's trying to recruit a new orbiter, but from the story you tell here, I would say Interested:up:
Unless theres more to this story?
Ill tell ya the whole story purefilth!

Im at work and im tired as balls (only gotten an hour of sleep that night ) and I see her walking down the hallway in my opposite direction, she smiles at me and says "hi" then I comment on her shirt it said "boom" lol. Then i get a job to go do something and she gets something similar and asks me "are you going to do your job or what :) " and we walked out of the office together and just have some banter or whatever. On the way back to the office we were talking about haunted places and this is where she brings up the whole ordeal on "I wish I had someone to go to this haunted house with etc" . Then when I was opening the door she put her hand on my shoulder ( i forgot why) and i was like hmmmmm. And thats pretty much it, all positive stuff, shouldve gotten her number right then and there but didnt bother for whatever reason.

Thats the whole story, chronological order and all.

So pretty much, next move is just to snag her number, set up a date (haunted one) and just see where it goes!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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JohnChops said:
Ill tell ya the whole story purefilth!

Im at work and im tired as balls (only gotten an hour of sleep that night ) and I see her walking down the hallway in my opposite direction, she smiles at me and says "hi" then I comment on her shirt it said "boom" lol. Then i get a job to go do something and she gets something similar and asks me "are you going to do your job or what :) " and we walked out of the office together and just have some banter or whatever. On the way back to the office we were talking about haunted places and this is where she brings up the whole ordeal on "I wish I had someone to go to this haunted house with etc" . Then when I was opening the door she put her hand on my shoulder ( i forgot why) and i was like hmmmmm. And thats pretty much it, all positive stuff, shouldve gotten her number right then and there but didnt bother for whatever reason.

Thats the whole story, chronological order and all.

So pretty much, next move is just to snag her number, set up a date (haunted one) and just see where it goes!
:up: DOIT! DOIT! DOIT!:D
 

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SeymourCake said:
After three IOIs it is possible to go in for the kiss
Examples of IOIs:
1. If she starts playing with her hair
2. If she laughs at things that are not funny (being giggly)
3. If she asks you her name
4. You squeaze her hand, she squeazes back.
I got all these IOIs and more from my oneitis at work and still she politely refused my request for a date.
 

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sylvester the cat said:
I got all these IOIs and more from my oneitis at work and still she politely refused my request for a date.
did you tell her or ask her?

and as for OP: you dont need a list of signs, all you need is to trust your guts. and trust yourself when you make your move. and this could be a good situation for you since you have your doubts and restrictions so she must really prove herself to be worth it. keep that in mind. like david D says: lets make friends first. really try to get to know her and decide then.

BUT maybe dont just ask for her number, because numbers are always only a means to an end. set up a date when you talk to her, some museum or whatever. maybe the number thing doesnt even come up, so it is going to be hard for her to flake then with a last minute emergency call.

anyways you only will know for sure if you do something.
 

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JohnChops said:
What's going on guys well I have a question. Can someone point.me in the direction of a list of IOIs and here's the scenario I have a question on.

This girl at work has been starting up conversation with me all the time, always smiling at me, and always waiting for me to walk with her ( like down the hall way, to cafeteria etc ) . And she asked.me if took this other girl out to the movies , she was fully interested in knowing that answer. But are all those examples of IOIs? She seemels interested or am I wrong?

We were talking about haunted houses and trails and she said oh yeah I want to go to this haunted house blah blah . I need to find somebody to go with.

Also a good.sign but here's the thing I'm reluctant to get her number because I work with her. If things go sour then it would be, worse case scenario, awkward at work. However she seems cool, down to earth, and a BMS major ;D and it would be fun to get to know her. Any input on this ? I work with her tomorrow I might just snag her number just cause

She definately sounds interested. If she told you she wants to go to a haunted house and wished she had someone to go with she is basically asking YOU to ask her to go. (She wants to go with you to the haunted house and get 'scared' so you have to 'protect' her and get close.)

Just ask her as if you're asking some new dude you just met for his number to go see a game or something.

As soon as you see her don't hesitate period. Walk up to her while pulling out your phone and say: Hey you! Give me your number and we'll go to that haunted house.

Simple.
 

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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Update - I was working in a whole different department today and didn't get to see her, I'm not sweating it. Whenever I see her I'll literally hop into a conversation and ask.her foe that number ! Will keep this updated fellas. It feels weird that I can finally read these things, its like.instinct.to me.now :D
 
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