Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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london_lad1986

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Hi all,

Been reading these forums for a while now but never felt compelled to contribute, I like the information provided on this forum and have managed to get some good action from using some of the material. However it is now that I would appreciate some advice on my current predicament.

I am trying to get with a woman at work who is 4 years older than me..I am nearly 25 and pretty mature so felt it should go on here.

The situation is, we have met during my lunch break for a drink and kissed (no tongues)

But I work day/night shifts at work when she works 5 days a week 9-5, sometimes I won't be at work for a week or 2 due to those shifts at the same time as her.

We are currently talking over BBM, but I am woefully bad at this side of things and feel that the longer its like that the further Im driving her away! I come across as weak and needy by text message and cant seem to change it!

I won't be at work for another week, was wondering what you guys think of the following.

Message I might use...'Was just thinking, I'm not back at work on days until next week..we should go for a drink after work this week i'll come down..as I know you wouldn't want to wait so long? x

or just continue the weak BBM chat as little as possible until im back at work when I intend to walk up to her desk and ask her out to lunch again?

Any insight would be appreciated

Cheers,

London_lad
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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how far apart do you two live? its worrying this is al being done a) at work, B) BBM (whatever that is) c) by text?
 

london_lad1986

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BBM is BlackBerry Messenger...its an instant messaging thing

Yeah we live quite far away from eachother...and work is sort of central to were we both live.

Im not sure if asking for a meet outside of work hours too early on will make her feel uncomfortable or not..
 

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london_lad1986 said:
Message I might use...'Was just thinking, I'm not back at work on days until next week..we should go for a drink after work this week i'll come down..as I know you wouldn't want to wait so long? x
It's weak and hesitant. You sound like you are fumbling and stumbling.
The attempt at some kind of DJ humor in the last part also fails.
 

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You know Jophil..it's weird until someone points out those faults..you just think it's ok..funny thing is face to face I'm fine but I find it hard to project strength and confidence using text messaging..

Still anybody think that I should wait until I can confidently ask her face to face...or Message her to meet up before then?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I intend to walk up to her desk and ask her out


Be careful about that. In regard to women, being aggressive and assertive is good. However, in regard to women at work, asking them out is often construed as sexual harassment. Ask her to a casual, impromptu lunch, and then while out of the office, ask her out for another time.

And you are not her work supervisor or superior in any way, right? If the relationship sours, could it be damaging to your job or career? These are things to consider before engaging in a workplace romance.
 

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Yeah I intend to see how she is then say "Im at work the next couple of days, was thinking we should should meet for lunch again..."

No she works in a different department and if it went bad then it would not really affect me in a bad way, would just have to see her every now and then which is normal for relationships anyway.

With regards to the messaging, if im not good at it how often do you think i should message her?..I was thinking every other day just to let her know im still about.
 

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london_lad1986 said:
You know Jophil..it's weird until someone points out those faults..you just think it's ok..funny thing is face to face I'm fine but I find it hard to project strength and confidence using text messaging..
There is a way to text which you might try which works mostly.
THis style is designed to communiocate with women who are busy and usually take a few hours to respond, or who cannot pick up a call..

Text example ..." Drinks at Sam's Bar 7pm Thursday- you in ? "
This almost always receives a positive response from her " Yep, see you there " OR she will call you and discuss.
 

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jophil28 said:
There is a way to text which you might try which works mostly.
THis style is designed to communiocate with women who are busy and usually take a few hours to respond, or who cannot pick up a call..

Text example ..." Drinks at Sam's Bar 7pm Thursday- you in ? "
This almost always receives a positive response from her " Yep, see you there " OR she will call you and discuss.
How general is this method? I really like it, .. do you think it could be used to initiate first dates with plates that you've been spinning?..
 

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Boilermaker said:
How general is this method? I really like it, .. do you think it could be used to initiate first dates with plates that you've been spinning?..
Good question, BM. What do you have to lose by experimenting?
I tend towards a no-nonsense approach these days. It tends to cut the weak, the stupid, the low IL women , and the flaky critters out of the herd.
The direct approach with a strong hint of dominance will a usually attract the more feminine and compliant of your contenders. To that extent it also serves to screen out those women who are difficult, feel entitled and are generally unsuitable to date.

Having said that I still like to use a phone, or face to face, to set up the first two or three dates.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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