"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Poonani Maker said:
Her profession is a 'server.' A server of what? Drinks?
Oh, no. It means she is a software engine that delivers applications to client computers and web-based apps.

I think this is a troll.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Poonani Maker said:
I thought about saying this: "Well, have you met anybody here besides me? I just joined! Because I just broke up with my ex girlfriend."
Nah, write this: "I'm under house arrest, so I can't leave my place, but do you want to come over and watch TV? I have cable."
 
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Now, you're giving me bad information. Are you trying to help me or not?

Just ask her how many guys she has talked to off the web. Then say "you are the most normal person i've met off the web... one girl tells me about hating her family and the other said I was a jerk from the first email... it's really funny actually"...then change the subject... if it's been about 10 minutes set up the date. You don't want to scare the girl she might believe you about the house arrest!
 

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Now, you're giving me bad information. Are you trying to help me or not?
I'm being really sarcastic because you don't want to listen.

There's no need to write anything retarded. Just ask her if she'd like to meet up for a drink on Thursday.
 
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MikeEdward1973 said:
I'm being really sarcastic because you don't want to listen.

There's no need to write anything retarded. Just ask her if she'd like to meet up for a drink in Thursday.

See my post above yours. What do you think?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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My Name is Nobody said:
See my post above yours.
Why do you think exchanging extra emails, and wasting yet more time, is going to help? Why do you think that his telling her that most of the people he's run into from the Internet are nuts is going to help?

It won't. Making up stupid crap and making this more complicated than it is is a formula for failure.

Really. This is easy, guys.

Just. Ask. Her. If. She'd. Like. To. Meet. Up. For. A. Drink.

She'll say yes or no, and then you can take it from there.
 
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MikeEdward1973 said:
Why do you think exchanging extra emails, and wasting yet more time, is going to help? Why do you think that his telling her that most of the people he's run into from the Internet are nuts is going to help?

It won't. Making up stupid crap and making this more complicated than it is is a formula for failure.

Really. This is easy, guys.

Just. Ask. Her. If. She'd. Like. To. Meet. Up. For. A. Drink.

She'll say yes or no, and then you can take it from there.

I told him to SAY THAT ON THE PHONE not email it. I thought he was asking for help on the phone.
You DO have to talk to them before asking for the date.
 

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You fool I told him to SAY THAT ON THE PHONE not email it. He was asking for help on the phone.
You DO have to talk to them before asking for the date.
First off, he's asking what email to send. Re-read the thread.

Second, I have gone on God knows how many dates via Match.com (maybe 50?), and guess what? I've spoken to my date *once* on the phone beforehand.
 
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First off, he's asking what email to send. Re-read the thread.

Second, I have gone on God knows how many dates via Match.com (maybe 50?), and guess what? I've spoken to my date *once* on the phone beforehand.
And how many of those 50 have you shagged?
 

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My Name is Nobody said:
And how many of those 50 have you shagged?
So, let's say the number was 8.

How would that have any bearing at all on whether he was this guy was asking for help via email rather than phone, and how would it affect whether he needs to talk to her on the phone before he meets her?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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MikeEdward1973 said:
So, let's say the number was 8.

How would that have any bearing at all on whether he was this guy was asking for help via email rather than phone, and how would it affect whether he needs to talk to her on the phone before he meets her?
Doesn't matter I was just wondering.
 

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Here's my final draft: "I like to meet new people too. Study of astrology helps me to understand what our ancestors believed, while astronomy tells me that we'll never get off of this planet. Would you like to meet up at xxxx, Starbucks, or xxxxx xxxxx later this week?"
I think that's fine. Go for it. Although you might want to narrow it down to just one or two places.
 

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Insert that you want to "continue this interesting conversation in person. So would you care to meet me at Starbuck's at X time?"


You're donig what a lot of guys do.
They do not connect their opener to rapprt and comfort, and then build rapprot to THEN IOIing to a MEeting.

You wrote "Data data data MEET ME!!!"
You skipped a step.

It' slike the old Juggler story. He was giving an example oif this funny comical man, who would 'entertain' womne with his jokes and comedy.
So they would naturally be laughing and were entertained. So not being socailly adjusted, he would immediately just say "Hey, I want to take you out to dinner. Are you free this Friday?"

Wiothout ANY Rapport building at all.

He assumed that becasue these women were laughing, that he was buiding attraction and rapprot and comfort, which was not the case.
They were just being enetertained.
So what would usually happen?
They would reject his offer!

Why??!

because he was SHOWING INTEREST when there was NOTHING to show his INTEREST FOR!

It was not deserved.
Those women did NOT DESERVE his interest. The only thing they DID was laugh at his jokes.
Not give him a sincere IOI, or a qualification to him.


Understand?

Don't skip steps.


It lacks flow and your'e not IOIng naturally.
Do what I suggested. Insert the line that you are intrigued by the interesting conversation and want to continue in person.
 

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One thing that's important if you're going to make Internet dating work is you want to be carrying this type of conversation on with multiple women at any given time.

You want to be in a position that, if she flakes or declines, and she might, you have plenty of other options. This way, you will provide a steady stream of dates for yourself.
 
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I am doing really well this go round on match. I signed up on the 2nd and I have 4 numbers working on the 5fth right now.
 
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Interceptor said:
Insert that you want to "continue this interesting conversation in person. So would you care to meet me at Starbuck's at X time?"


You're donig what a lot of guys do.
They do not connect their opener to rapprt and comfort, and then build rapprot to THEN IOIing to a MEeting.

You wrote "Data data data MEET ME!!!"
You skipped a step.

It' slike the old Juggler story. He was giving an example oif this funny comical man, who would 'entertain' womne with his jokes and comedy.
So they would naturally be laughing and were entertained. So not being socailly adjusted, he would immediately just say "Hey, I want to take you out to dinner. Are you free this Friday?"

Wiothout ANY Rapport building at all.

He assumed that becasue these women were laughing, that he was buiding attraction and rapprot and comfort, which was not the case.
They were just being enetertained.
So what would usually happen?
They would reject his offer!

Why??!

because he was SHOWING INTEREST when there was NOTHING to show his INTEREST FOR!

It was not deserved.
Those women did NOT DESERVE his interest. The only thing they DID was laugh at his jokes.
Not give him a sincere IOI, or a qualification to him.


Understand?

Don't skip steps.


It lacks flow and your'e not IOIng naturally.
Do what I suggested. Insert the line that you are intrigued by the interesting conversation and want to continue in person.
I disagree.

A girl says hello online or offline, I ask for the phone number in the next sentence. 5 out of 10 times , I get it on the first shot. The other 2 out of 10 , i get it withn a few minutes with absolutely no rapport building, just persistantly asking for the number.

Once I get the number, I call right away. I chit-chat for 2 minutes, make a date plan and hang up. 90% of the time, they will keep their plans.

There is nothing new under sun. It is said time and time again. The key - CONFIDENCE. When you are truly CONFIDENT, you can act in any way and will never appear NEEDY or DESPERATE.

I also can call 5 times a day, and keep th IL high. I would only do that to prove a point to myself (not that I truly want to call.lol), CONFIDENCE sells all the time.

All kidding aside, the other night, on a first date. I asked a girl to become exclusive. I was just toying with her, as well to see how far I can push my limits. She said OK. LMAO.

Be CONFIDENT, go for the kill.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Here's my final draft: "I like to meet new people too. Study of astrology helps me to understand what our ancestors believed, while astronomy tells me that we'll never get off of this planet. Would you like to meet up at xxxx, Starbucks, or xxxxx xxxxx later this week?"
Astronomy???? Why not just ask her to print a copy of the personality report that she created so that you can see it some time over coffee. You can finally get offline and you can look at a report about who you are dealing with. Come on guys, it can't get any easier than this... :rolleyes:
 

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I am doing really well this go round on match. I signed up on the 2nd and I have 4 numbers working on the 5fth right now.
FINALLY SOME SPINNING!!! ROCK THE FVCK ON!!! :rockon:
 

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Take a year and do these 2 things at the sametime

1. Meet Women in real life by going out 3-4days or nights a week and doing 10 approaches an outing.

2. Get a nice build


i never said to seclude yourself it looks like you looked over this (forgot this is the mature forum, i guess we start missing more things with age ;) ) ...After the year is over your build should be good (if you need help just come to health and fitness) and you should have decent game if your going out 3-4nights a week doing 10sets a night.
Alright, if you say so. Your initial post still sounds like it was an alternative to actually building up your personality. I still don't know how moving heavy object and doing approaches without working on your personality will actually help. It just seems like a hell of a lot of time and effort to hope that after a year you will have the best body posted on the site or the best body in the club. How are they going to tell in a club anyway, it's usually dark; during the day do you just walk around without a shirt on or just sarge at the beach?
 
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Francisco d'Anconia said:
FINALLY SOME SPINNING!!! ROCK THE FVCK ON!!! :rockon:
I wouldnt call it spinning YET I still need to go out with them but it's a start.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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