"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Poonani Maker said:
Ok I just sent this reply to her:

Yeah well, it's tough living here. Maybe you should consider moving back?
Why did you say that? Were you trying to tease her a bit, or something? That's fine, buy maybe you ought to invite her to meet with you so you can do that in person?

I rarely use icon's in posts, but I will here: :confused:
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Mr.Positive said:
Think positive Latinoman, you only fail when you don't try, and you only get embarrassed, when you let yourself...get embarrassed.

Everything else, is just one big life learning experience.
If my kids get homework...and they do it themselves...then they learn. Even if they get it wrong...at least they tried and learned.

But if I do their homework...they won't learn.

This poonani guy wants US to do his "homework" for him. He won't learn...and he will fail. He is NOT a kid either as he is a "mature" person. The type that at 40 will be socially inept.
 

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Latinoman said:
If my kids get homework...and they do it themselves...then they learn. Even if they get it wrong...at least they tried and learned.

But if I do their homework...they won't learn.

This poonani guy wants US to do his "homework" for him. He won't learn...and he will fail. He is NOT a kid either as he is a "mature" person. The type that at 40 will be socially inept.
I've been thinking that some guys just need to crash and burn just to stress the importance of understanding what they are doing rather than just parroting some lines.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
No, I'm pushing her away. I gave her my name though, so this is a hint that I may still like her if she can up the ante. She can't stay here unless she swings to my vine. She needs a man to help her stay here. I've been here way longer than 2 months. So I'm giving her a choice. Suck up to me, or be gone! and suffer in the cold weather.
Alright, that makes sense. Do you think this one will actually make the first move to offline?
 

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I've had quite success with online dating, it depends on where you go and meet people. Majority of the time they are just like the regular girls you meet in the field, I find it advantageous because you don't have to overcome as much other distractions like friends, etc, when in the field.

I think it's an excellent addition to in-field sarges.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I find it advantageous because you don't have to overcome as much other distractions like friends, etc, when in the field.
Well that's not the case on Myspace unless you keep everything restricted to emails. While it's sort of true you don't have the immediate distractions and interference online as in the field, there's probably even more other guys gaming the girl online than in the field.
 

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Well that's not the case on Myspace unless you keep everything restricted to emails. While it's sort of true you don't have the immediate distractions and interference online as in the field, there's probably even more other guys gaming the girl online than in the field.
MySpace isn't a dating site.
 

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Mine? "No it's not. You shouldn't jump to conclusions. I think that's your problem. Why are you on here?"
Scolding strangers doesn't work. You've just shown here you're a little uptight.

Why are you going back and forth and back and forth with emails? Just a couple is all that's needed and if you sarge online efficiently, they'll either volunteer up their number right away, ask to meet you or hint at meeting you, in which case you close.

But the longer you banter going nowhere, which is what you're doing, the more opportunity you give yourself to shoot yourself in the foot and/or lose her interest, either that or you're just wasting time feeding an attention wh0re.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Her reply? "that's rude..."

Mine? "No it's not. You shouldn't jump to conclusions. I think that's your problem. Why are you on here?"
And again what exactly is your purpose for going through this?
 

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I think I failed with my mail to her, do you think it's worth sending another mail. She looks nice to me and just to think I may have blown purely it on a boring mail. I sent her a picture so she knows how ugly I am :eek:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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EFFORT said:
...Instead of wasting time reading profiles/being witty etc, take a year , get a good build and sarge in real life. After the year is over your build should be good (if you need help just come to health and fitness) and you should have decent game if your going out 3-4nights a week doing 10sets a night. Now you'll be ready for online dating. Join some sites, post up a picture showing your nice build and watch the girls game you, should take no effort.
There you have it fellas! To be popular with women it's easier to seclude yourself and lift heavy thing for an entire year than learn how to create an attractive personality! :rockon:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
MySpace isn't a dating site.
Well that's not stopping everyone from using it as such. And a lot of people think that's the beauty of it. It doesn't have the "pick up" atmosphere of dating sites.


Francisco d'Anconia said:
There you have it fellas! To be popular with women it's easier to seclude yourself and lift heavy thing for an entire year than learn how to create an attractive personality!

That's not what EFFORT said though. He said look your best and go out in the field and practice on women in real life to improve your skills with women. That hardly sounds like secluding yourself.

I got to say F d'A, you've been talking in riddles in this thread, being critical of other ideas and as far as I can tell your suggestion for success is the right word play. However, you haven't given even any general direction for how to do that best that I could see. Women are subjective, if she's not attracted to you word play isn't going to make much difference.
 

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ketostix said:
Well that's not stopping everyone from using it as such. And a lot of people think that's the beauty of it. It doesn't have the "pick up" atmosphere of dating sites.
True but social networks have the highest concentration of attention wh0res that just want to have the most names on their friends list. At least most of the women on dating sites are willing to meet you sooner than later.
ketostix said:
That's not what EFFORT said though. He said look your best and go out in the field and practice on women in real life to improve your skills with women. That hardly sounds like secluding yourself.
Instead of wasting time reading profiles/being witty etc, take a year , get a good build and sarge in real life.After the year is over your build should be good ...
So other than moving heavy things, what are you doing?
ketostix said:
I got to say F d'A, you've been talking in riddles in this thread, being critical of other ideas and as far as I can tell your suggestion for success is the right word play...
I think you guys should be mature enough to be able to have good, interesting, conversations with women without copying my words. I could be wrong.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Her reply? "that's rude..."

Mine? "No it's not. You shouldn't jump to conclusions. I think that's your problem. Why are you on here?"
She's right.

What is it, exactly , that you are thinking? You previously said that she needs to meet someone, or she'll have to leave the area. Do you really believe that for her it's either get with Poonani Maker or go back to southern Indiana? What about the other 20 guys she's talking to online?

Nice job. Now you're on your way to a flame war with a chick from a dating site.

Going forward, just ask them if they'd like to meet up for a drink on the 3rd email.
 

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btw, here's her latest message to me:

"my friend told me to check out the personality test, becuz i'm into horoscopes and whatnot. So i took that and still get on and check my mail and stuff. And to meet peeople here, cuz I don't know anybody in [where we live]. Why are you on here?

LiSa"

Now what do I say? I've already fvcked it up right?
In the name of all that is decent and holy, type a few sentences sentences about how you like meeting new people also, and then ask her if she'd like to meet up for a drink later this week!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Poonani Maker said:
O K I'll do that! I still haven't shown her my pic, which is too good to be true for her. You think she'll meet someone she hasn't seen??
Worst case, she asks for a pic. If so, send her one, and in the same email and ask how Thursday (or Friday) around 7PM is looking for her. At this point, just keep focusing on closing.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
Should I give her some virtual flowers too?
Dude. No. Just close her.

You can send her virtual flowers after you meet, and play tonsil hockey for 1/2 an hour.
 

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Guy, stop posting here, and go send the email.

You have a self-destructive streak. You are afraid that this girl will say yes, so you deliberately are doing things that are lowering your odds of success.
 
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I think online dating is great!! I just got off the phone with a hottie from match and I just signed up last week. I have plans to meet a girl from plentyoffish this week. No I am not stacked I just look normal but I have some good pics I guess.

And I always send good emails and when I chat with them I am different. Thats the key!
 

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Now what do I say? I've already fvcked it up right?

Should I give her some virtual flowers too?
You're not 14 are you? You have to be at least 18 to be on a dating site.

Really, I don't see an opening for you in her email at all, I don't see her hinting interest in meeting you, so by now, after you've had what now? 800 emails back and forth? you have to push for a resolution by stating time and place. Don't ask for later this week, that's too soon now, ask for next Sunday afternoon to meet you over a cup of coffee. Give her an exact time and an exact place.

We'll work on getting you a prom date later.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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