"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Interested in a MUCH younger girl

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First of all, Hey guys. I'm new to the forums. I have actually reast most of teh DJ Bible before though and also read up on some DD newsletters.

I am 17 and will be a senior in highschool when school starts up. Anyways, about 2 moths ago I went to my friends party and her little sister was there. Her name is Heisel, and she is 13(will be fourteen in a month). She will be a freshman at my school next year. I was talkign to everyone at the party... just having fun and stuff, so I talked to her a bit. To my surprise, she's a very awesome girl.

Anyways, since my friend and her sister are pretty close, and I hang out with my friend sometimes, I see her sister, Heisel, kind of often and we get along great. I like her because she "get's it". I can joke around, be sarcastic, and just have fun and she get's it. I remember when I was in 8th grade, none of the girls were as cool as this(at all). She is just so fun to be around. She is also very pretty for her age. She looks about 15. Also, I kinda look young for my age, if that matters. What i mean is that if someone saw us together they wouldn't be like "OMG he is too old for her," because I only look about 2 years older.

She has given me hints that she likes me but hasn't said it straight out. I play around with her, but have never told her I'm interested in her like that... because I don't know if it would be... too weird.

So what should I do? There are two other girls that I kinda like at the moment, one my age, one only a year younger. They are really pretty and cool girls but I just don't feel the "connection" with them.

So... any comments/suggestions?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Bballswingr1

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Personally, i would never do anything with an 8th grader. But hey, my friend talks all the time about hot ones, soo i guess to each his own. Btw im a junior
 

ValleyDJing

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one...she's ur friends sister? how good of friends are you? remember...bros before hoes.

two...you only look two years older, but that doesn't change the fact that you aren't just two years older.
 

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ZeroZero said:
First of all, Hey guys. I'm new to the forums. I have actually reast most of teh DJ Bible before though and also read up on some DD newsletters.

I am 17 and will be a senior in highschool when school starts up. Anyways, about 2 moths ago I went to my friends party and her little sister was there. Her name is Heisel, and she is 13(will be fourteen in a month). She will be a freshman at my school next year. I was talkign to everyone at the party... just having fun and stuff, so I talked to her a bit. To my surprise, she's a very awesome girl.

Anyways, since my friend and her sister are pretty close, and I hang out with my friend sometimes, I see her sister, Heisel, kind of often and we get along great. I like her because she "get's it". I can joke around, be sarcastic, and just have fun and she get's it. I remember when I was in 8th grade, none of the girls were as cool as this(at all). She is just so fun to be around. She is also very pretty for her age. She looks about 15. Also, I kinda look young for my age, if that matters. What i mean is that if someone saw us together they wouldn't be like "OMG he is too old for her," because I only look about 2 years older.

She has given me hints that she likes me but hasn't said it straight out. I play around with her, but have never told her I'm interested in her like that... because I don't know if it would be... too weird.

So what should I do? There are two other girls that I kinda like at the moment, one my age, one only a year younger. They are really pretty and cool girls but I just don't feel the "connection" with them.

So... any comments/suggestions?
Hey and welcome to the forums. I appolagise in advance for what I'am about to type but someone needs to say it and it's for your own good. Reading what you put makes me sick. Your 17 and your going after 13 year olds? Damn whats wrong with you, why cant you go after girls your OWN age?

ZeroZero said:
I am 17 and will be a senior in highschool when school starts up. Anyways, about 2 moths ago I went to my friends party and her little sister was there.
Your friend is a girl, right? She will tell her friends if you hook up with her younger sister. The other girls your age will look down on you for hooking up with a 13 year old and laugh at you behind your back. You wont be able to go out with girls your age.

ZeroZero said:
Anyways, since my friend and her sister are pretty close, and I hang out with my friend sometimes, I see her sister, Heisel, kind of often and we get along great. I like her because she "get's it". I can joke around, be sarcastic, and just have fun and she get's it. I remember when I was in 8th grade, none of the girls were as cool as this(at all). She is just so fun to be around. She is also very pretty for her age. She looks about 15.
This is one-itis.

Some symptoms of one-itis are;

-thinking she's so much different from any girl you've met.
-thinking she is the most beautiful girl in the world.

I can defenetly see this in there.

And do you know why you are feeling like this towards her? Because she is showing lots of interest in you. The reason she is showing such great amount of interest is because you are so much older. Girls look for guys with a higher social status than them so they can show them off to there friends. We all know girls like older guys? So wheres the challenge in picking up this girl? None. She's an easy catch.

Which brings me to the point that your probably not very good with girls and need practise. I suggest joining a DJ bootcamp.
 

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first how good friends are you with your friend??
bros before hoes
if it's cool then **** her, she's easy... but don't go out with her, you'll be her *****, she's prolly a ***** too
man **** *****es
I just broke up with my *****
yeah **** you *****
can't even **** me the day before you leave for a holiday... slutty ass ***** **** you
yeah my ***** was a 14 year old freshman, i'm a sixteen year old sophomore
**** *****es right?
yeah **** all the *****es on this planet
that ***** can burn in ****ing hell for not ****ing me on the night before she left the country for holiday
****ing *****
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Lol asterisk galore at above post.Anyway,DAAAMN im debating if i should go after this 17yo (im 19)...14 wow,dude stay AWAY from her,she may be into you and all but its not worth the hassle with her parents,your social circle and all that.
 

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No. Just no.

Do I really need to go through all the negatives? You can't shag her, what you gonna do? tuck her in? read her a bedtime story?

It'd be too much like babysitting.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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LOL. You guys bring up some very good points, specially shadowfox.

It is one-itis because I hang out with other girls and I'm still thinking about her. Today I'm going to a sweet 16 party and there will probably be a lot of good-lookign girls, hopefully this can distract me from Heisel.

I know, in my mind that I should just forget about it but teh idea of actually being with her is so tempting. I know, a 3 year difference is pretty big at this age though...
 

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if she was a freshman last year.. then maybe... but that's still stretching it a little... Don't go for it man.
 

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dont touch your friend's sister man, seriously. he'll resent you and you'll get a crappy reputation if anything happens.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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At my school, everybody's dabbled in that kind of relationship before, but most of us never get serious or even let other people know about it. Those that do pick up 13-year olds are known as "pedophiles." I mean, for ****'s sake, if you get in a 6 month relationship with this chick where her beauty will actually be put to "use," it will be statutory rape. Nail a senior, it's much more gratifying. They also don't have the maturity gap that dating a girl 4 years younger than you does.
 

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I'm about to be a senior this year too. The upcoming freshmen have already started on me. My friends' little sisters, girls on myspace, girls at parties, etc. etc. A lot of these girls look a couple years older then they really are too. It's a tough decision, but you have to just take a deep breath, step back, say no, and walk away.
 

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Well in TX under 17 is jailbate. So once you turn 18 and you're still with this girl you could get in trouble.

Also 4 years is pretty bad dude, a girl isn't even mature at 13.
 

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well why stop at 8th grade? my motto is (copyrighted, don't steal this **** haha) "If they're old enough to pee, they're old enough for me"

I mean come on, what better way to break the girls in, and pick up lines are so easy! "Hey, do you have pubes? SWEET! I have a car!!" Works all the time....
 
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Wow.. dude just WOW how low is your standards? Are you too AFC to pick up girls who's your own age!? you freaking lozer what makes it worse is she's your friend's sister! What a LOYAL and GREAT FRIEND YOUR ARE!

So unless you want your ass beaten down by the brother and have a new reputation of child rapistin creep DO NOT TOUCH HER. She's in middleschool, she hasn't hit puberty yet this is totally wrong. Seniors dating freshmen are sad... "they're like the left overs, no girls in their grade wants them." (HB9)

Probably the only reason she "likes" you or "attracted" to you is because your older than her so she "thinks" your mature... don't listen to dumbasses like Rocko (I hope he's joking when he said the pee joke...) That's my reasons if you want it do it go ahead, more mature and hot girls for me! :D
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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