"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Interested in a girl at work

EternalBachelor

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A new girl has joined at work and she isn't just pretty but has a great personality as well. But I have little experience in workplace romance and the unwritten rules.

I don't want things to be awkward so am trying to assess if she is interested before I make a move. But she is hard to read. Our office has a work hard culture so we don't get that many opportunities to talk but when we do it kinda feels like she is flirting with me. Although I since realized that she is like that with everyone even girls. But she has also brushed my arm a few times and sometimes stands too close to me and more recently has adjusted my coat collar a few times saying I looked scruffy.

But on the other hand she always goes to the kitchen at different times of the day from me and takes her lunch later and leaves at different times so it is not as though she is going out of her way to hang out. And sometimes when she catches me looking at her she looks a bit annoyed. So I backed off and ignored her a little but most days she finds excuses to start conversations with me in a way she doesn't do with the other guys.

At the office christmas party she was chatting to another guy in the office and there are rumours about them. A few of us in the accounts team including her had drinks last night and my boss was teasing her about him asking if they were going out but she said he wasn't her boyfriend and she found him too arrogant for her taste and thought he was going out with another girl in the office.
Somehow as a group we started talking about what we thought of various colleagues. She was sucking up a bit to my boss saying she told her mother after the interview how beautiful my (female) boss is and then moved the conversation on to me saying "What about Matthew?" and said "Well he is very quiet, shy and only tends to talk to you if you talk to him first". My colleague who is a mate stuck up for me and said he isn't that quiet and she backtracked a little and said "but he is cool". At another point in the conversation my colleague mentioned I went to an Ivy League school and she reached across and grabbed my arm and said "Wow you must be intelligent if i went there id be telling everyone..you are so modest". And a bit later when the alcohol kicked in while my colleagues were talking we took some of the glass beads out of this jar on the table and started throwing them at me and we played a bit of table football. At the end of the night she went off in one direction to see some friends and i left with my colleagues
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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051AV

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Never schit where you eat, its not worth getting involved with woman at work it always turns into a mess, when it does and she goes to management to complain about you she will always win. Unless you looking for a quick bang and don't care about if you lose your job go for it, if your worried about loosing your job stay away.
 

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Never schit where you eat, its not worth getting involved with woman at work it always turns into a mess, when it does and she goes to management to complain about you she will always win. Unless you looking for a quick bang and don't care about if you lose your job go for it, if your worried about losing your job stay away.
You nailed it. If the OP had other options, he would not be considering a girl at work.
 

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I have a similar situation at the moment. My advice is for you to break down all past and future interactions in two cases: 1 when other people are around and 2 when only you and her interact. If in case 2 she gives all signs of interest and in case 1 little or none, she is concerned about work status but interested.
Cant advise you how to act, but I am in the same situation. What I did was to start dating another girl and this kind of issues with possible work colleague disappeared ;)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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A new girl has joined at work and she isn't just pretty but has a great personality as well. But I have little experience in workplace romance and the unwritten rules.

I don't want things to be awkward so am trying to assess if she is interested before I make a move. But she is hard to read. Our office has a work hard culture so we don't get that many opportunities to talk but when we do it kinda feels like she is flirting with me. Although I since realized that she is like that with everyone even girls. But she has also brushed my arm a few times and sometimes stands too close to me and more recently has adjusted my coat collar a few times saying I looked scruffy.

But on the other hand she always goes to the kitchen at different times of the day from me and takes her lunch later and leaves at different times so it is not as though she is going out of her way to hang out. And sometimes when she catches me looking at her she looks a bit annoyed. So I backed off and ignored her a little but most days she finds excuses to start conversations with me in a way she doesn't do with the other guys.

At the office christmas party she was chatting to another guy in the office and there are rumours about them. A few of us in the accounts team including her had drinks last night and my boss was teasing her about him asking if they were going out but she said he wasn't her boyfriend and she found him too arrogant for her taste and thought he was going out with another girl in the office.
Somehow as a group we started talking about what we thought of various colleagues. She was sucking up a bit to my boss saying she told her mother after the interview how beautiful my (female) boss is and then moved the conversation on to me saying "What about Matthew?" and said "Well he is very quiet, shy and only tends to talk to you if you talk to him first". My colleague who is a mate stuck up for me and said he isn't that quiet and she backtracked a little and said "but he is cool". At another point in the conversation my colleague mentioned I went to an Ivy League school and she reached across and grabbed my arm and said "Wow you must be intelligent if i went there id be telling everyone..you are so modest". And a bit later when the alcohol kicked in while my colleagues were talking we took some of the glass beads out of this jar on the table and started throwing them at me and we played a bit of table football. At the end of the night she went off in one direction to see some friends and i left with my colleagues
Don't do it.

Getting involved in this drama sucks your value away, in her eyes, and at your company. BAD BAD IDEA.
 
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