She called, a couple of back and forths, we're meeting tomorrow.Juando said:She called.
It's good.
And this is in NYC, not my home turf. dbot you rock.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
She called, a couple of back and forths, we're meeting tomorrow.Juando said:She called.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Bonafide said:The sad thing is, one of you nerds are going to try telling a girl what to do one day and shes just going to :box:
Lol just kidding guys.
Yeah, kidding but perfectly valid regardless...Bonafide said:The sad thing is, one of you nerds are going to try telling a girl what to do one day and shes just going to :box:
Lol just kidding guys.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
It's a movie.Deep Dish said:Ever watch the Showtime television series Weeds? There's this one guy who's the "brother-in-law," a middle-aged freeloader living in his sister-in-law's house but who's always sexing the ladies. It's hilarious. In one episode, for instance, a hot single mommy chick drops off a kid at the home and the conversation was no more than this: "So you're single, eh?" "Yeah." "Doing anything right now?" "Nope." He turns around and looks at the clock. "We've got one hour."
Kudos.
Sandow, it may not be real, but neither is the world as we perceive it. And no, I'm not talking about The Matrix. Society's "rules" of courtship have very little bearing on our private behavior, especially when our instincts are telling us otherwise. If you could have sex with an attractive woman right now, would you? Most men would. What makes you think women wouldn't think similarly? Society? Hah! As long as they don't dress and publicly act slutty, then society (you) isn't the wiser. Society is naive. Society takes social norms literally, thinking they're a solid representation of our true nature. Don't get lumped into that category.Sandow said:It's a movie.
This is where it gets interestingFender said:dbot, I'm not doubting that a women has sex on her mind all the time, and she would gladly participate in it. The problem I have is believing that she wants to have sex with a PARTICULAR guy (especially if he is deemed "less attractive")
I think it is generally true that women have more choices than men in terms of mating and as a consequence, would be more picky in their choosing. Men on the other hand, are famously less picky about their choice in bed partners.
How attractive we seem to a girl is (largely) determined by our beliefs, but our beliefs are mostly built upon how attracted girls have been to us in the past. So....now what? Do we lie to ourselves in the beginning and believe that we are the sh*t until it actually happens? Or do we learn skills and lines to make us seem more attractive, and internalise the beliefs afterwards.
I absolutely love your original post, but I just have my doubts on how one would actually reach this place of self-assured "Nirvana" where we believe all chicks want to f*ck us there and then.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Kudos! This is very timely for me and probably many guys here, making that supposedly small "shift" in our attitude, standing up for ourselves, clearly communicating what we want.DonS said:A couple weeks ago I kissed closed 3 chicks in one night within 5 minutes of meeting them. For whatever reason, my confidence and frame were at the peak. I simply interacted for a couple minutes from an iron frame of positive masculine dominance and looked her in the eye and said "give me a kiss."
They would hesitate for a moment to see if my frame would show cracks but I held without a facial twitch of doubt and they would kiss me and then try and follow me around afterwards.
I learned more that night then I have the rest of my life. FK the routines and openers and tricks, and just be a real man with a brutal frame of power.
I've been nailing this couger the past couple months. She is a powerful corporate officer and she's commented about how it is a massive turn on that I am in charge. Last night she told me she was "crazy" over me. She makes $410,000 a year, her last two BF's were a professional body builder and an ex pro athelete and she dumped them both because they were "weak" around her. She says she never can find a male who is strong enough to handle a woman like her.
My point is I used to get rejected by fatties 7 years ago, and now I have a top quality hottie "crazy" over me. Honestly, nothing has changed in my life except my beliefs.
Power. I've still got a lot of work to do, but I'm going down the right path.
Brilliant. Exactly what I needed to really connect the dots. Imma go away and digest this for a while.dbot said:This is where it gets interesting![]()
First of all, the idea that men are less picky about their sexual partners than women is another one of those naive assumptions based on society's projection of female behavior.
The only thing that matters when it comes to physical attraction, is fuckability. It's completely binary. You're either attractive enough for her to have sex with you, or you aren't. How hot you are has nothing to do with it. You may not be Freddie Prinze Jr., but unless he's standing right next to you, it doesn't matter. If you're fuckable, you're fuckable.
Here's a fact that most guys on this forum refuse to accept: if you're just an average dude, not obese or ugly but not particularly hot either, you're probably considered fuckable by 99% of women. This is not an exaggeration. Most men would consider average looking women fuckable. Sure, they might not brag about it to their buddies, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't mind doing it. The standards are no different for females. Now I'm not saying that 99% of all women would be attracted to you or would want to actually date you. I'm simply saying 99% of all women would consider you to be "good enough" based on looks alone.
Also, the idea that women are more selective due to their available choices in men is completely false. Unless you're on a dating show, the woman's only immediate choice is the guy she's talking to (you). As long as she thinks you're "good enough," the only thing stopping you is your ability to pick her up.
I'm not very tall (I'm 5'10"). I'm pretty skinny (though I recently put on a little muscle), and I have a larger than normal head. I do think I'm attractive, but I couldn't possibly consider myself anywhere near having a model's body type. I live in Newport Beach, California. The women I talk to out here are some of the most beautiful women you can find anywhere in the country, and I do very, very well with them, despite the fact that a lot of the men here are much better looking than I am. My point? Unless you're flat out gross, nobody here has room to blame their looks on their inability to close a chick. Ever.
Fender, your third paragraph is dead on, but you don't have to lie to yourself. You just have to understand that no matter how a woman reacts, it's because you implicitly told her to. Keep that in mind![]()
Body builders and pro athletes can still be pussiesI've been nailing this couger the past couple months. She is a powerful corporate officer and she's commented about how it is a massive turn on that I am in charge. Last night she told me she was "crazy" over me. She makes $410,000 a year, her last two BF's were a professional body builder and an ex pro athelete and she dumped them both because they were "weak" around her. She says she never can find a male who is strong enough to handle a woman like her.
Still curious. And bump for the noobs.Drewskie said:Sounds convincing, but you didn't really say how to obtain said power and control. Is there a definitive way??
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Power and control is the product of your projections, and vice versa. If compliance is expected, then compliance will be received. This not only creates the perception of power and control, but it directly yields power/control over the people you influence.Drewskie said:Sounds convincing, but you didn't really say how to obtain said power and control. Is there a definitive way??
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.