"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Insecurity(S)??

Weeuweed

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i'm in a relationship right now..... but sometimes im still insecure...... insecure bout whether she still like me or not......
k, i know what u're thinkin....... go get something to do......
anyhow i still always find my self have time to think too much :p

she sometime always sends mixed signal to me .....sometime gives away signs that she is more interested in one of my frens than me .....

so..... is there any obvious way to know she still likes me????
welll... she does let me roam around her body... :rolleyes:
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Let me say first: the ONLY question u should be asking ureself is "do i like her?"

think about what U want!!!





and... much less importantly, she does like u if she lets u do that
 

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Originally posted by gav
and... much less importantly, she does like u if she lets u do that
No she doesnt.

It's hard to tell with women sometimes. If you start ignoring her in the halls at school, and she gets all alarmed, then you know she likes you.

:)
 

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Originally posted by ivanchin99
i'm in a relationship right now..... but sometimes im still insecure...... insecure bout whether she still like me or not......
k, i know what u're thinkin....... go get something to do......
anyhow i still always find my self have time to think too much :p

she sometime always sends mixed signal to me .....sometime gives away signs that she is more interested in one of my frens than me .....

so..... is there any obvious way to know she still likes me????
welll... she does let me roam around her body... :rolleyes:
that jsut means that she is comfortable with her body
does it matter, if you like her stay in it or else leave it
 

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It is really hard to tell sometimes. I have a friend who's gf's all flirtatious with other guys. And I mean a lot of other guys. He's got his head stuck up his a** though. If you kind of ignore her for a few days, and she does end up getting all worried and concerned, then she really does like you, but if not, I'm sorry :/
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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well.....
she did said 'only me' is allowed to roam my body.. kissing. etc.
when i asked (indirectly = i asked do u do this kindof thing with other guys) more like exclusive to me.. :rolleyes:


this happened nearly 2 weeks before(after didn't talk for a week):

After ignoring each others for some time......i began to missed her...so, during class, i started to look at her and when she noticed me... i began to look away .
Sometime i caught her staring at me when she's talking to her frens facing me(normally she wouldn't sit that way) .. we continued this process for sometime.. (staring at each other then glance away.........)


and then she replied 'coz u didnt talk to me in class..' when i asked her why she dont wanna talk to me in class (well... she did sit near me but as i expected her to iniatiate the convo.. i didnt talk to her )
She talked to every1 in class comfortably without much problem but seems to have serious problem chatting with me in class.. :/

ohhh.. and i dont think she's that comfortable with her body. It took me quite some time to have the access to her body :p.. and She began to hate a guy(not really... he cried once ) who liked her when that guy invaded her living spaces. <-- i deal with him when in rage.. any tips??
:mad:
 

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any 1 have more obvious sign a gurrl gives out to the guy she's interested in??

and i've read somewhere that gurls wont love the same guy in the same time.. true?? :confused:


Let me say first: the ONLY question u should be asking ureself is "do i like her?" think about what U want!!!
of course...... the fact that she might moving back to her origin country possibly end of this year :( makes me want her even more...
 

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Originally posted by ivanchin99
After ignoring each others for some time......i began to missed her...so, during class, i started to look at her and when she noticed me... i began to look away .
Sometime i caught her staring at me when she's talking to her frens facing me(normally she wouldn't sit that way) .. we continued this process for sometime.. (staring at each other then glance away.........)


and then she replied 'coz u didnt talk to me in class..' when i asked her why she dont wanna talk to me in class (well... she did sit near me but as i expected her to iniatiate the convo.. i didnt talk to her )
She talked to every1 in class comfortably without much problem but seems to have serious problem chatting with me in class.. :/
this sounds soooooooo friggin afc...man, if you like her...keep it up...if you dont like her, get the hell out, its not that hard...
 

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dude, really, ignore her for some time. Let her ask you whats wrong. But when she asks you why you havent been talkin to her that much, just tell her you've been talkin to other friends or hanging out with other friends. Dont let her know that you are insecure and dont ever act needy. Find some good friends to hang out with and start
 

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ur reply isnt helping.. if i were u.. i would waste my life on the board giving that kindof advice..

heloo.. need my q's answered.......
UPDATE : She still dun bother to even talk to me in school...:/
i'm sure i didn't pised her off or something.. :rolleyes:
im thinking bout giving her cold shouders.. until she initiate convo with me...
should i let her know i'm bothered by her 'dont care' attitude?
help....
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Personally, do what fezz suggested, tis good advice, do not show ur bothered by her.
 

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Ah Ivan! I was just wondering about you!

First of all congrats on the girl. (is this the same one you asked about earlier?)

Second of all, I'm just going to cut straight to the heart of this.

If you were expecting a relationship to erase your insecurities then you were profoundedly misinformed. Its the "if you're not enough without, you'll never be enough with it" principle in action. In the mean time I want to give you one of my secret weapons that has served me well in my S & LTRs. Its a mindset really...

View every relationship in terms of your ultimate goals:
You are a young man and as such the whole point of your involvement in any relationship right now is to learn what you have to to reach you're ultimate satisfaction and possibly get laid. Chances are you're not going to meet your soul mate in high school and you'll barely remember all your girlfriends and crushes after the age of thirty-five. Point being that you shouldn't be taking this too seriously because even in the worst case scenario the relationships you're having now have little or no bearing on where you're going to be in twenty years so who cares?

Case in point: You already stated that you don't know if she's more interested in you or your friend at times. So let's assume the worst happens and she dumps you for your friend. Now you've eliminated anothergirl from the dating pool who obviously doesn't satisfy your ultimate needs, and your time hasn't been wasted by head games and heart-stringing. Good riddance. In the short term it might sting a bit, but in the long term you'll realize that you're both probably happier and better off without each other, you won't take it so personally, and after a few relationships, you really stop worrying about rejection freeing you to pursue your ultimate goal.

Now if you're looking for ways to rekindle her interest I find sensuality is a good way to do it. If she's only comfortable kissing, kiss her in such a way that her core shakes and she's left trembling in the wake of your passion. If she lets you go farther, make your pleasure her pleasure and you'll also learn one of the golden rules of politics; reciprocity rules. (I had a girlfriend who not only had hang-ups about giving oral sex, but specifically disliked the taste of it to the point of revulsion. A little time and skillfully applying oral-genital stimulation by your's truly and she was volunteering to please me any way she could.)

If you're truly in a relationahip I personally don't like the policy of ignoring her. If she's chatting up everyone else but you she's obviously unsettled by you in one of two ways.

a) you make her nervous because of the butterflies in her stomach. this is a good thing.

-or-

b) she felt slighted because you didn't talk to her and is trying to repay you in kind. This is easily resolved.

(and by the way, never leave it to her to start the conversation. Even if just by saying hi.) The last thing you want to do in a relationship is put as much distance between the two of you as possible because of some percieved slight. Assuming you want to be close her, and she to you (I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer is yes to both of those if she's letting you be intimate with her.) what would you stand to gain by growing apart? My 2c

-CyranoDeBergerac
 

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Thanks for the reply guyz.. i appreaciated it appreciate! :)
will look into it later .

fezz, i didn't meant u .... i didnt see ur reply when i posted it :p
 

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DAMN U!!

bah....i have to agree.. those post are good......
but i think it's a liitle too late.......
yep... u guessed it...
we broke up :(
afteer 10months of relationship.....
well it started out like this,

Today in school, is a another day she wont bother to talk to me,
then i asked her to borrow me one of the school project , which she didn't bring...
then i playfully (with somebit of frustration) - also from the fact that she didn't talk to me for sometime now :/
...swore her in the note.....
Damn u!! ...
which she didnt reply......

then as i walk to her home to get the document.. i noticed she trying to evade me... walking with quite some pace alone infront
without waiting for me althought i already informed her she, i was coming..

At her home, she said few words.. 'Bring the project on friday'
then turn and go back to her house.... obviously, i should have known somethign is wrong there....at that time, i just guessed she had a bad day...

then in the afternoon... she phoned me and demanded breakup..
she said it's okay if one of her frens said this to her... but i was not only her frens....

i dunno if this is the pure reason she wan a breakup :/
grr.. problem follow by another problems :(

im wondering how much an appologize would help.....?
 

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..... she forgive me............
but we're heading for our own path now :(
now i know what does afc trully means...... it is the same as my attitude when i tried to persuade her back.....
i know from her body-language she still love(like?) me but tries her best to evade me..
i guessed she wont come back anymore.....
man... did u see my action....... it was total afc...
: pls comback, gimme 1 more chance, gimme 1 last cjhance ..

oh well... my first relationship crashed and burned.....
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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