****ing gays and lesbians

[Die Hard]

Sorry, I just can't take it anymore! I'm watching that new show 'Counterpart' and here's a description of the last two scenes:

1. One of the main characters is a female assassin. She goes to a bar, the waitress notices that the woman is attracted to her so she starts flirting with her and invites her to a party. (it's not my interpretation, the assassin is definitely lesbian coz she was sleeping with another woman before)
2. One of the characters is investigating the death of some guy. So he shows up at some dude's house (at this point it is unclear to the audience who this dude is) and tells him he knew the dead guy and wants to talk about him. So they go inside and we find out that the dude was secretly having an affair with the dead guy...

Jesus fvcking christ, two consecutive scenes where we get confronted with lesbian/gay characters. Seriously, if nowadays' tv shows were an indicator for homosexuality prevalence in society, it'd mean that at least 50% or more of the people are lesbian/gay.

It's fvcking sick you know? I don't neccesarily mean homosexuality itself, but the unrelenting bombardment of homosexuality in tv shows... TV shows should be all about entertainment, not about pushing social-political agendas. If you want to fight for the gay cause, do so by making a documentary or whatever! But what they're doing now, is ABUSING good tv shows to push that agenda... I watch this show because it has good acting, good story, I like the violence and action etc. That's why a person watches the show, for his entertainment, not to be confronted with social-political messages. If a person is interested in that, he wil watch a documentary about the subject or watch a tv show/movie that is specifically aimed at homosexuality like Brokeback Mountain.

Now, we don't get to choose . It's the same in any major tv show, even fvcking Star Trek has two gay main characters!!

And this social-political message doesn't simply come on top of the entertainment, no it actually dimishes the entertainment. See, a good tv show makes you identify with the characters. Rule no1 in good shows/movies. If you don't empathize with the characters, it doesn't matter what they do or what happens to them, you just won't feel drawn into the story because you can't relate to the characters in it.

For example, this lesbian killer got sold out by her lover, they had sex and then the lover took her gun from her purse and left her house. Next thing, the bad guys showed up to kill her and she reached for her gun and it wasn't there. She survived the hit anyway... So as a viewer we are supposed to be shocked by this betrayal, but I totally wasn't. Why? Because I cannot relate to these characters! The idea that two people of the same gender have a relationship, they care about each other, have sex and sleep together all night is just too far removed from my personal experiences in life. I simply cannot relate to it...

This way, I am being robbed of enjoying a show which is very entertaining in other areas. I almost feel like ignoring these scenes and these storylines, they do nothing for me but waste my time and annoy me, rob me of the experience of enjoying a good show...

SHAME ON YOU, you fvcking puppets over there in Hollywood, for betraying the purpose which tv shows have, namely TO ENTERTAIN, and poison them with your social-political messages instead!!!

 

[Spaz]

Holy shiet!

I'm guilty too.

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Can relate, it all started early 00s when girls complained there were no female characters in video games, then we now have star wars that turned from action/science fiction to a girl power story with a science fiction surrounding.

The black guy of course is either a funny character or a strong cool hero but always good, the villain has to be a white middle aged man possibly with english accent.

Almost impossible to find tv series or movies without a "smart badass girl" that despite looking either skinny or fat, is battle hardened enough to knock out men full of roids twice her weight and strenght.

They outsmart the bad guy and the good guy as well, in reality they cant decide what they wanna order at the restaurant while in movies they can think faster than a super computer masternode.

The roided up action heroes from the 80s were not that believable in survining bullets or lifting phone booth with a man inside but the current movie characters are between ridicolous and annoying.

I often find myself watching tv series with the remote in my hand to forward drama parts with no utility to the main story, its basically anytime women or kids meet each other.

Any scene that starts with "how do you feel" turns into a 5 minutes drama short with no use to the story.

 

[wifehunter]

Yeah, the last movie I saw was Rogue One. Women just don't have the presence or frame to lead. I was turned off.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I don't mind it at all if it's subtle and actually fits the story of the show in a logical fashion. If your whole show is about the story of an assassin who happens to be lesbian, having her flirt with a woman at a bar totally fits her character and the narrative. There's nothing wrong with a character being homosexual or whatever, doubly so if it influences the plot (like they get blackmailed because of their sexuality or something).

The problem comes when it's shoehorned into the narrative purely to fit a political agenda and it starts to stretch any kind of common sense to absolute breaking point. The same with enforced diversity. We seem to be in an age where movies, TV shows and video-games are all carefully constructed with politics first and story second, and it's really quite frustrating.

A perfect example of this would be to go back to the show about a lesbian assassin. Her sexuality is unconventional but pleasantly quirky and interesting, because it's rare and unique to her character. She goes to the bar and flirts with a chick (fine so far), then another assassin comes over.

He's a gay guy, and he's flirting with another guy at the bar. Suddenly everyone in the assassin underworld seems to be gay, and it's a bit weird because it flies in the face of probability. It also damages the unique nature of the female protagonist. Then a third assassin comes in to meet up, and he's a trans non-cis-binary bisexual black man with one leg. Finally, the target walks in - an androgynous Asian dude, and you facepalm at the blatant SJW meddling.

The lack of subtlety is another big annoyance for me. I watched the newest Star Wars film recently and while I liked it, the writers may as well have had huge blocky text on the screen saying "LOOK AT HOW STRONG THESE FEMALE CHARACTERS ARE! LOOK AT THEM!"

We don't have to say "LOOK AT THIS STRONG MALE CHARACTER!" when every straight male hero walks onto the screen. With good writing, you don't have to point these traits out, they just are. It should be the same for "minority" characters.

Don't tell me the female lead is strong, show it to me with subtlety and the presence of the actress. I actually really liked the way Mad Max: Fury Road handled it's female lead because Furiosa genuinely comes across as tough and weary in the same way Max is.

Recently I had to applaud the developer of a video game set in middle-ages Bohemia. There was a ton of pressure on him to introduce "diversity" into his game, because all the characters were white. He responded that he was making a historical production, and "The number of non-white people in Bohemia at that point in history was so trivial as to essentially be zero. I'm not going to modify history for the sake of diversity." The SJWs continued to cry and lament and he ignored them - they then proceeded to s*** on his game's politics in the reviews, which I though was outrageous.

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TLDR: When it's not done to make a political point it's fine. One of the best gay characters I can remember is Omar from The Wire.

He's a genuinely sympathetic character and a total badass to boot, and when the end of his character arc comes it's a shocking and surprising moment.

That's because he was written to be a sympathetic and badass character, and the fact he was gay was just a side thing. He wasn't written by a SJW to have big spotlights shining down on his sexuality at expense of the story.

 

[Spaz]

Well I don't mind if it's Lara Croft

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

I know my last post was a novel, but because this really irks me in almost everything I watch and I enjoy taking apart bulls*** propaganda, here's two clips that highlight how effective writing can totally transform a scene and the character it's trying to put across.

The first video, a terrible example of poor political writing, is from The Killing Joke, an animated Batman story that came out fairly recently. I haven't seen it because I'm not a fan of comic stuff, but the scenes with Batgirl are almost all outrageously bad SJW feminist propaganda to a laughable extent.

The review above, skip to 12:34 (should do it automatically). Batgirl comes across a muscular guy arguing (non physically, non threateningly) with his GF. He says "I need space." and Batgirl responds by walking up and f*cking judo throwing this huge guy effortlessly across the street. She quips "There. Space." as if we're supposed to find this funny or clever.

It's nonsensical, violent, makes her seem completely unlikable and can you even imagine the uproar if the genders were reversed? Batman walking up to a guy and his GF arguing and punching the s*** out of the girl, then being portrayed as a hero afterwards? It's just totally cringey in every way you can imagine.

We're not seeing that Batgirl is a strong or capable female, we're not seeing any kind of good character from her. We're just seeing her use unrealistic strength to victimise a man, and then the Femi-N*zi writers try really hard to make it seem "cool" and "edgy", instead making her like look an insecure, insane b*tch.

The same writers later have her f*ck Batman (lol), to try and show how confident and womanly she is. Again, it completely fails spectacularly.

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On the other hand we have this scene from Fury Road. As crazy over the top as the movie is, it's so much more effective at conveying a likable, strong female character.

Furiosa is clinging to Max's foot with her prosthetic arm as he dangles out of the truck during an action scene, dangerously close to the wheels. A bad guy sneaks up and stabs a makeshift shank into her back.

We get a fantastic close-up of Charlize Theron's face afterwards. She continues clinging to Max with a mixed look of agony and desperate determination on her face, tears of pain in her eyes as she stares down at him. Her grip starts to slip, the tension builds...

That one moment is telling us three things, without even needing dialogue:

1 - Furiosa's life of fighting has left her physically and mentally tough-as-nails.
2 - Meaningful character development has happened over the movie. 1 hour ago, she and Max were trying to kill each other. Now she's doing absolutely everything she can to save him.
3 - She is a brave and noble character at heart, willing to give her life for the safety of her friends.

These are all the same characteristics that are admirable in straight, male heroes and could be shown in a male character through the same kind of scene. The writing is not making her tough and brave JUST BECAUSE she is a female/lesbian/ethnic minority or whatever, instead her gender comes across as incidental to her characteristics as a human being.

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Novel-length rant aside I can go back to work now, lol. Have to blow off steam because it's something that really does irritate me about s***ty writing in TV shows in particular.

I might even start a blog comparing and destroying awful SJW propaganda in movie and TV scripts. Or maybe I should just write shows instead of the hipster sad-sacks that write scripts at present.

 

[Die Hard]

Good post, MoreThanSmooth.

I just hate the attempt at brainwashing, that's why I also NEVER watch any commercials. I'm serious, NOT ONE, coz I realize that there was a team of smart people in an office somewhere who had probably been discussing for days with the sole purpose of "How can we manipulate the viewer's subconscious as much as possible and get him to like/buy our product with this commercial?"

Now why the hell would I willingly go along with their dirty scheming and tricks to manipulate my subconscious?! Sure, some commercials are funny to watch and make you laugh, but that doesn't change the underlying purpose of the commercial, which is FVCKING WITH MY MIND. These people are professioally fvcking with your mind and you're willingly gonna submit yourself to their bvllshyt? Not me...

Yeah, I guess I'm exaggerating in many people's opinion but this is how I view it. Propaganda is propaganda... Imagine there's one commercial you actually like watching coz it always makes you laugh. One day it is discovered that this commercial was made by Putin and it works on your subconscious to affect your political ideas. But you don't know this, the commercial isn't about politics at all and you totally don't realize that it's meant to affect your political ideas. But people find out that it DOES affect your political views, through a very ingenuinely crafted psychological mechanism working on your subconscious without you even realizing it... Would you still watch the commercial after that revelation? I don't think so...

So why do you submit yourself to other commercials then? Because their purpose isn't as serious as changing your political views? Because manipulating your preference for a certain product is more innocent than manipulating your preference for a certain political ideology?

It's the principle that counts for me. People are trying to manipulate my mind, end of story. I don't care whether it's about political views or goddamn M&M's, I just won't accept that and will resist it if I can help it...


Anyway, the gay stuff is also a way to manipulate viewers' ideas. They're bombarding you with that stuff so you'll eventually come to think that it's normal. Well, it's not normal if you ask me! And don't mistake the word NORMAL for GOOD, I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong/negative/objectionable. But when gay A cares about gay B and gay B treats gay A harshly and he's emotionally hurt by this, it makes me laugh and I find it funny. Whereas if it were a man and a woman I would take it seriously and sympathize with the lover who got hurt, coz I can relate.

It's just plain weird to me that two men would have that dynamic between them. Imagine a movie about two robots who live together and have couple fights like real couples. For example, one of them asks the other if his azz looks fat since his lower body parts got upgraded with a new metal and they get into a fight coz the other robot will be damned if he says it doesn't look fat and damned if he says it does look fat. That would be funny huh? You'd laugh and tell your friend who's sitting next to you "That's so funny, they act just like a real couple!"

It's normal to see a man and a woman have such fights, you can relate to it. But it becomes funny when you project this dynamic on two robots! Just like that movie 'Chappie' where they theach the robot to act like a gangster, wear gold chains etc. It's funny coz they project qualities on the robot that we normally don't associate with robots. Same thing with gay lovers, they project qualities on them that I normally associate with a man and a woman. It makes me laugh, it's weird and funny!!

But Hollywood is trying to make me believe that it's normal, by pushing such scenes into every other new show. Well fvck that, I don't find it normal! (again, normal is not a synonym for GOOD. By saying it's not normal I am not neccesarily saying it's not good). It's not normal, period. How many gay couples do you know and how many straight couples do you know? I can count the gay couples on one hand, but the straight couples are countless. It's like 2% versus 98%

So gay couples are weird to me, end of story. I'm not saying gay couples are "bad" or "wrong", but definitely they're weird to me. A guy who has no eyes in his face but just a flat forehead without holes in it.....is also weird to me! Doesn't mean I hate him, or think he's "bad" or "negative".
And I bet if every new tv show would have a few main characters without eyes in their face, people would tell Hollywood "WTF is up with all these characters without eyes in every tv show?!?!?! That's just weird, wtf are you guys doing over there???" You want to create some sympathy for people who have no eyes? Make a documentary about it or something, but it goes way too far to turn 50% of people in tv shows into people without eyes!

It's the same thing!!

So fvck Hollywood and their goddamn politcal gay agenda, i's fvcking RIDICULOUS what they're doing! Trying to make us think that gay people and gay relationships occur just as much as straight people and relationships. They don't, faaaaaaar from it! So don't try to make it seem like they do! Don't you fvcking FORCE me to think otherwise, that's called brainwashing!

Sure, every tv show contains violence and people shooting each other far more than in real life too. One could argue that this is a totally false representation of the real world too. But here's the crux!! They don't put so many guns and violence in tv shows to brainwash the viewers into thinking it's normal, they do that coz the viewers find it entertaining!! And that's the primary goal of tv shows right? That's why we watch them!

In the case of gay people/relationships however, it has nothing to do with entertainment. Seriously, if 9 out of 10 people are straight, do you think it entertains them to see gay stuff all the time?? Of course not... It has NOTHING to do with entertainment, it's just plain and simple brainwashing the viewer into believing gay stuff is normal, that it occurs just as much as straight stuff and if we get bombarded with these LIES enough, we will subconsiously start believing it and start accepting gay stuff more and more. That's the only goal. It's pure propaganda!! We are in the golden age of television but our entertainment is being absused for propaganda... Which is morally reprehensible!

Sure, no one forces you to watch it, I know.. But that doesn't change the fact that entertainment is being abused to push propaganda onto us, which is very sad, really....

Let me end with this funny video haha:

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

Good post, MoreThanSmooth.

I just hate the attempt at brainwashing, that's why I also NEVER watch any commercials. I'm serious, NOT ONE, coz I realize that there was a team of smart people in an office somewhere who had probably been discussing for days with the sole purpose of "How can we manipulate the viewer's subconscious as much as possible and get him to like/buy our product with this commercial?"

Now why the hell would I willingly go along with their dirty scheming and tricks to manipulate my subconscious?! Sure, some commercials are funny to watch and make you laugh, but that doesn't change the underlying purpose of the commercial, which is FVCKING WITH MY MIND. These people are professioally fvcking with your mind and you're willingly gonna submit yourself to their bvllshyt? Not me...

That video made me laugh, haven't seen Boondock Saints but apparently it's good?

I agree that movies and tv shows should be entertainment foremost. The thing is, movies and TV shows will always have a subtext. Directors will always have some sort of politik they want to bring to the table (for better or for worse). The difference is that in old films and TV shows this was explored very subtly and intelligently and didn't try to persuade the viewer, they just wanted to bring your attention to something.

Examples that come to mind for me immediately are The Terminator and The Shining.

The Shining features a ton of references to Native American genocide, cunningly hidden in the background. Pictures on the walls, things Jack Nicholson's character does, comments he makes, comments the ghosts make. At one point Jack's character is slamming a baseball violently into an old Indian painting. It's all deliberately put there by Kubrick to give smart viewers an extra layer of meaning BUT it's all in the background and totally optional. You don't even notice it or think about it unless you're watching the movie to really analyse what it all means.

Similarly, The Terminator features an early scene with some punks who seem kind of weirdly gay when you pay attention to them. I didn't even notice it when I watched it as a teen.

One punk stares at Arnie's junk in a really weird sexual kind of way, and Arnie responds by punching his heart out when the fight starts. This is, again, all a deliberate direction James Cameron put in to show us the Terminator cannot feel love (he sees the heart as just a way to kill you), and as a machine he does not understand sexuality at all - straight or gay doesn't mean anything to him. He just kills things. It makes him more terrifying and is almost undetectable when you first watch it.

Nowadays instead of optional subtlety, we get blatant attempts at mind-control, with gay characters in particular plastered all over the screen. You are totally right with regard to "enforced normalcy". I live in a very liberal area (comparable to San Francisco I guess) where gay people are much more common than they are elsewhere in the country, and even so there is like a 60:40 split of straight:gay couples. So in less gay-friendly areas it is, as you say, much, much less common than portrayed in Hollywood.

One of the most stupid shows I've seen was Torchwood, where ALL THE CHARACTERS WERE BI. Every single one. And they were constantly humping each other every episode. It was so tryhard it was hilarious, and it actually just stokes resentment for non-straight people by constantly drawing f*cking attention to it so clumsily.

 

[Von]

What subliminal message?

 

[Die Hard]