incredibly smart, strong willed girl who says "i care too much what people think"

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I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

So I meet this girl (very smart, successful, 8 or 9 in looks) and do my natural ****y and funny a lot and have sex (GREAT) with her and she wants a relationship. She says she adores me and whatever and things are going fine for a month.

She's a very "in your face" type girl (while still being nice) who claims she's very confident in who she is. She says she needs a guy who is alpha and will make her "obey."

She gets very busy with work (she worked 7 days in a row including 5 days of 12 hour shifts) for 2 weeks so I don't see her, but she calls me nearly every day so I take this as still high interest. She'd call before going to work "just to touch base." Now, I'm not the greatest phone conversationalist for whatever reason (good in person and on IM), so I fear I might have bored her in that way.

But anyway, I go to her place the night before we were to roadtrip, and we hang out like normal and she comes to me for kisses all day and she falls asleep on my chest while watching a movie. Then she wakes up and maybe 15 minutes later turns to me and says we can't date anymore. She ends up with some tears in her eyes that she keeps in check and doesn't let come out. She goes into a little bit of detail how she thinks "we don't think the same way." I'm in shock as this comes out of no where and I slip into some AFC and try to disagree with her points but she'll have none of it but admits maybe she's wrong about it and that we got too serious too fast and there's too much pressure on me since she says she doesn't think I'm "acting like myself." I should have just bailed to begin with as soon as she started pulling that bull.

So I figure fine, not that big of a deal. We'll be friends. Instead of our road trip she goes to another state to visit her mom for the week, saying we'd talk later.

I call her maybe 10 days later. She doesn't answer but 10 minutes later she calls me back real quick. I take this as a good sign. We end up in a discussion about why we're not going to date and she explains what she meant by "not thinking the same way." She says that what she meant was that she knows who she is and how she acts and needs someone who thinks the same way of himself. Her major point is that "you care too much what other people think." This is a shock to me, and my friends and I had a good laugh over it later because I definitely don't give off that aura normally, quite the opposite actually, but still it irritates me that she thinks she can judge me like that.

She's very critical and has no problems with telling you if something she percieves as wrong with you or that she doesn't like your actions. I really have no problem with this, but she thinks I do and she'd "eat me alive" if we keep on dating even though she likes me in every other way, but we'd never last "long term" since her critical attitude would end making me hate her. She ends up very irritated at me that I'd object to her opinions of me and we get off the phone. She's a VERY smart girl, but actually thinks she's smarter than she is and thinks she can judge people really fast and constantly tells you what she thinks. She actually thinks she's too much for me to handle, which is pure bull. We're still supposed to have communication open and still hang out and stuff.

So I figure the next course of action is just to let it go. I'm pretty sure she'll end up calling me. She really was soooo into me before this. The question is how am I supposed to respond to this girl when she calls again assuming I want her to get this DOWNRIGHT WRONG idea of me out of her head? (guess i'm proving my point by caring what she thinks, eh? screw that)

She once sent me an email that said:
"You have to be very authoritative with me. I'm like a wild animal. If
you show you're the alpha, then you have my respect and "obedience". If
not, then I'll run, dragging you behind me with your hand caught in the
leash..."

I'm thinking let her call me and I blow her off. I want to turn the tables on her and be disapproving of her and act like I don't give a f*ck instead of this silly idea of me where i can't be myself because i care too much what she thinks or whatever she made up. I've seen both sides of her where she'll be all confrontational and *****y and the other side of her which will be a little frightened girl and call me and be like "are you mad at me?"

I was thinking of saying to her when she calls, "I really don't want to put up with your judgmental bull**** right now... you really REALLY don't know me for sh*t... Call me some other time. Maybe i'll be in a better mood." I'm hoping this will send her reeling not expecting me to be so forceful with her (the understanding/caring approach Men are from Mars crap hasn't worked with her before). I think I made the mistake of trying to tiptoe around her crap so she wouldn't "not like me" so instead of treating her like I do everyone else i was trying to watch my mouth instead of calling her bull****. I need to get back to the basics of being myself and stop being taken aback by a girl who is so confrontational.

I AM currently talking to a few other girls and letting her be on the back burner to see if i can turn things around with her. I'd like to at LEAST use her as an experiment of how to deal with these "headstrong" and opinionated chicks, even if I can't end up back with her, so please don't tell me just to forget it and next her.

So anyway, when she calls, what should I say?

Thanks.
 

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She may even believe it to some extent herself, but what she said is probably just an excuse.

She's offering a rational explanation for her loss of attraction to you.

Kind of funny though... if you actually act in the way she wants... like an alpha male, she probably will be eager to get back with you. Smart girl indeed.

So I guess the alpha approach really is your only option. That's hard to fake though. Good luck, man.
 

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Originally posted by whistler
She may even believe it to some extent herself, but what she said is probably just an excuse.

She's offering a rational explanation for her loss of attraction to you.

Kind of funny though... if you actually act in the way she wants... like an alpha male, she probably will be eager to get back with you. Smart girl indeed.

So I guess the alpha approach really is your only option. That's hard to fake though. Good luck, man.

The thing with her is that she's not one to make excuses. She really says things like she sees them and doesn't care if you don't like it. It's really pretty refreshing, but the way I was acting around her really wasn't being myself at all, because I was so taken aback by her attitude. A woman like her who isn't afraid to speak her mind and not give a sh*t what you think isn't exactly in abundance.

I acted normal when I first met her. I was the "alpha" and she was very interested. Then when she started acting more and more the way i described above I was taken aback and didn't actually know how to react. She caught onto this somehow and sent an email where she was being introspective and said "I love your lips, but I'm not going to disappear. I just want you to relax around me. You don't have to try anymore. You got me."

At the time I wasn't really sure what she meant, but now I realize I actually need to treat her not only more like any other woman but more of a man. She's just not the docile type at all. She liked me for being myself so I had no reason to try to change anything or seek her "approval." She warned me and apparently I didn't listen and she made up her mind that I really couldn't handle her whole critical attitude. She's wrong now that I got over the initial "what? she's not acting like a normal girl!" stage.

My question is whether I should strike a decisive blow and say something like in my previous post and knock her back on her heels a bit and go back to treating her like i originally did... or just treat her like i originally did only. I feel more like I have to put her in her place firmly that I'm not going to take any crap and that i can live without her.

I guess I'm still worried about what I was originally worried about... whether I'll go overboard with my reaction to the stuff she says. A lot of the time if she gets critical on me I just want to be like "ok stfu. i don't care" like I would to most people but to her i took a less like me stance of "ok. i hear you. i understand." Apparently I made a mistake and should just go with initial reaction with this type of girl instead of second guessing myself.

The other thing is that I think a lot of her attitude is just a defensive shell she puts up, because at times when I have been "alpha" towards her she'd get all worried I was mad at her and such like a normal girl.
 

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Well, she sounds like a very intriguing girl.

Part of me says "she's different, so you'll need a special strategy suited to her."

The other (louder) part says "no, dumbass, attraction isn't based on anything intellectual, so if she's giving an intellectual reason for leaving you, when the smoke clears, you'll both understand that it was something more basic than that."


If I were you, I might try being intellectually competitive with her. Be an intellectual alpha, if you will.

But if that louder voice is correct, it's not going to help.
 

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Originally posted by whistler
Well, she sounds like a very intriguing girl.

Part of me says "she's different, so you'll need a special strategy suited to her."

The other (louder) part says "no, dumbass, attraction isn't based on anything intellectual, so if she's giving an intellectual reason for leaving you, when the smoke clears, you'll both understand that it was something more basic than that."


If I were you, I might try being intellectually competitive with her. Be an intellectual alpha, if you will.

But if that louder voice is correct, it's not going to help.

It's not anything intellectual. We've wrestled there frequently.

I forgot to mention. She said since the day I met her that she thinks "long term." So, if she doesn't think it'll work out long term she'll break it off instead of wasting everyone's time. Since she thinks I can't handle her criticism she ended it even though she thinks i'm funny and we have fun together and have great sex and everything else clicks. It's pretty frustrating that she thinks she can predict the future.

She really is weird. With most any other girl this all seems like bull**** to me but everything I've known goes right out the window with what this girl does and reacts to. It's like a whole new ballgame.

She breaks it off with me and what has she doing since? Sitting home alone on weekend nights. Seriously. She's just... different. What kind of very attractive, funny, smart, successful girl that any guy would kill to have would choose to sit home alone on weekend nights?

But really, whatever... I lowered her interest level/emotional attachment by changing how i acted, so I need to go back to being myself and things could fall back into place.
 

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She breaks it off with me and what has she doing since? Sitting home alone on weekend nights. Seriously. She's just... different. What kind of very attractive, funny, smart, successful girl that any guy would kill to have would choose to sit home alone on weekend nights?
she is just a DJ

last week all I did was watch college b ball and play halo 2.

why?

because I want too..and I dont give a **** what anyone thinks.

she is to aggresive for my taste..but she is a keeper!

bad ass chicka there
 

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What girl has ever used the term 'alpha male' etc.? I've never heard and sure many here have never heard a girl mention this like that.

You can bet she reads some of this stuff about Alpha etc. and is challenging you to it. She also knows that your C&F is just an act.

Lol .. this girl is a trip.
 

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The intellectual element to this girl (if it's not just a front) is fascinating.


If you try anything, update this thread, will you?

Those of use that like smart chicks would be eager to see how it goes.
 

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She's probably reading this thread .. lol. That's what she's doing when not going out on the weekends.
 

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Originally posted by tmpgstx
What girl has ever used the term 'alpha male' etc.? I've never heard and sure many here have never heard a girl mention this like that.

You can bet she reads some of this stuff about Alpha etc. and is challenging you to it. She also knows that your C&F is just an act.

Lol .. this girl is a trip.

She IS a trip. More stuff she emailed to me before: (just for entertainment purposes)

"My supervisor once told me that any man that got involved with me would
have to be the bravest man alive...

My boyfriends are my prey...I eventually consume them. Or just chew them up and spit them out.

Hope you can hack it big boy. :)"


"See, this is why I wish you had a ****ing cell phone...

I need to talk...I'm in a strange introspective mood.

I'm in a talk mode. I like interacting in strange ways. So tonight is going to be an introspective night.
You're going to listen to me right?

Listen...me talking...lots of beer? I'm not gonna work tomorrow..."


She's tremendously smart. You should see her bookshelves. She buys me beer. :p


She's NOT seeing anyone else.
 

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dude she seems fun..WHY DID U START ACTING LIKE A PUSS?

all you had to do..was challenge her then pound her ***** like a star!
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
dude she seems fun..WHY DID U START ACTING LIKE A PUSS?

all you had to do..was challenge her then pound her ***** like a star!

I don't know!!

We did have quite a bit of sex, though. She was quite insatiable. I actually acted 100% dominate with her during that with throwing her around and carrying her to the bedroom. She loved when I said whispered "good girl" in her ear while she came =p "I LOVE how you say 'good girl'" It definitely didn't end because of the sex. It was actually the best I've had. We just completely clicked together in that.


One conversation we had:

Me: Don't ever try to fake it with me.

Her: Ohhhhh no. Why the hell would I ever do that? If i did that then i don't get off. We never leave this bed until i get off. I don't think so. If you try to leave before I finish I will just shove you down there and you will keep working until we're done.


Dunno why I had to go and screw that up. We had a ton of fun together.

Why are we talking about this? ;)
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21

she is to aggresive for my taste..but she is a keeper!

bad ass chicka there
I love the aggressiveness. That's why I don't get why she would say that I can't handle her. I'm not sure how to change her perception of that.
 

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she seems to be one of those women you cant resist!

I can see why you want her from how u talk about her!

just go balls out on her for now on
 

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Originally posted by frivolousz21
she seems to be one of those women you cant resist!

I can see why you want her from how u talk about her!

just go balls out on her for now on


I know just how to act if we start hanging out together again... Just go back to being me and not worrying too much what she thinks like i started out doing when she was really into me.

The problem is just how to kick start it back into gear. Call her and have her tag along with me somewhere? Or just act like to hell with it and wait to see if she comes calling to get her attention back. Or what?

I think she will end up calling me if i don't call her, but don't know that for sure. But if i call her yet again isn't it going to come off as I just can't get enough of talking to her/being around her and me appearing needy? The tables have turned. She used to the one who had to call me everyday. How do i flip it back around?
 

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Maybe the fact that you two had so much sex had something to do with this? You said she likes to think long term. Well when you have a lot of sex short term, it ruins that long term vision. There is no more mystery. There is no more excitment. Been there, done that.

I'm definetely not the first one to say this, but if you're looking long term, don't have sex quickly.

Oh, and it doesn't matter how good the sex is. It soon becomes routine.
 

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Originally posted by TillTheEndOfTime
Maybe the fact that you two had so much sex had something to do with this? You said she likes to think long term. Well when you have a lot of sex short term, it ruins that long term vision. There is no more mystery. There is no more excitment. Been there, done that.

I'm definetely not the first one to say this, but if you're looking long term, don't have sex quickly.

Oh, and it doesn't matter how good the sex is. It soon becomes routine.
Well it wasn't THAT much. I think the problem may have been we rushed into this and go over our heads and maybe she burned out on me.

We weren't together long enough for it to become routine.

You're right about the sex too soon. The first night we hung out was just us sitting around drinking a few beers and having a grand ol' time laughing our asses off.

(sidebar) My move has always been to watch the girl's interest level and just when I think she wants me to kiss her hold it off a little while longer and nearly all the time they make it more and more obvious they want you to make a move. I think it's kinda funny.(/sidebar)

Eventually i gave in and kissed her and we did whatever for a while and ended up having sex. I knew better but did anyway. Don't you hate when you don't listen to your brain? I'm not really one for just having sex. I'm an LTR type of guy.

I'm not really sure if sex itself really screwed this up, but maybe it was me agreeing to be exclusive and giving her far too much attention so early in the relationship that just ended up making it awkward from rushing in so fast.

I'm not talking here like I broke up with my girlfriend or anything. Just a girl I had been dating and I thought was really into me. She even seemed more into me than I was into her at first. Then the roles reversed when I started to realize how much of a catch she was, and here I am wondering how to get back to ME being the challenge. I doubt her interest is completely gone.
 

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Yeah, you definetely had sex too soon for someone thinking LTR.

There are a couple of really good reasons why not to have sex soon when looking for a LTR.

1) It takes all the mystery out of the relationship. You've seen what each other has to offer. There is no more guessing, no more climax-building. Imagine if you're watching a murder mystery and they reveal the killer in the first 10 minutes of the film but still drag it on to a 1.5 hour film. That would be pretty stupid wouldn't it? So why do that to your LTR?

2) For women, the more emotionally attached she is to the man, the better the sex seems to her. They get a lot more out of sex when they feel this strong connection. So withholding sex while this connection builds up will make it that much more exciting and enjoyable.
 

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Originally posted by TillTheEndOfTime
Yeah, you definetely had sex too soon for someone thinking LTR.

There are a couple of really good reasons why not to have sex soon when looking for a LTR.

1) It takes all the mystery out of the relationship. You've seen what each other has to offer. There is no more guessing, no more climax-building. Imagine if you're watching a murder mystery and they reveal the killer in the first 10 minutes of the film but still drag it on to a 1.5 hour film. That would be pretty stupid wouldn't it? So why do that to your LTR?

2) For women, the more emotionally attached she is to the man, the better the sex seems to her. They get a lot more out of sex when they feel this strong connection. So withholding sex while this connection builds up will make it that much more exciting and enjoyable.


Yeah, I knew better and screwed up. I'm mad at myself and went out and have 3 other girls on the line now and I'm fully workin it on them.

I actually have them jumping through hoops for me and them trying to message me online and stuff. I've mostly been ignoring it. It's all cute how they leave msgs like "aww too bad you're not around. have a good night!" or "hope you're enjoying man's night tonight" when i'm not hopping up to reply to them right away even when i know they're interested.

I've been cutting off conversations with them early and stuff. Keep em wantin more. Should have done this a lot more with the chick this thread is about. It always takes one mishap like that to slap you upside the head and get you back to thinking clearly.

It's just too bad that the girl i'm REALLY interested in is the one i screwed up with. I dunno if the new girls i met recently match up to her. Maybe, though, but I doubt it. Haven't gotten to know them yet. I know better than to sleep with them the first date again, though. Stupid stupid me!
 
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