"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Incoming friendzone..how to avoid

Leporello

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This is a follow up to this post:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=132902

Basically, contacted a girl online, we traded e-mails, seemed to get along, until she mentioned that she 'was just looking for friendship, not a date'. She has not mentioned having a bf.

In my personal experience, 'looking' for either of those things is counterproductive since they can't be forced (Then why did you go on a dating site? Shut up, that's why). And anyway, you can't pre-decide not to be attracted to someone before you meet them.

SO, I convinced her to come to a concert with me on Sunday (she said she had a paper to write, but it didn't take much persuading). I need some tips on how I can make her forget what she said earlier and open up to the idea of a sexual relationship with me WITHOUT trying to go too far too soon.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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C'mon, gimme your best shot.
 
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"LJBF" doesn't mean anything from my experience. A girl told me that last week and I took her out and sexed her all night. She is still telling me "LJBF".
 

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Uh, I guess flirt with her, play with her and use kino? Thats all I can come up with. Make out with her than call her your best friend.
 

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Tell her you wanna be friends too, that'll piss her off.

Then carry on your game.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Yeah just run standard game. Also stop listening to what women say. She should be reacting to you instead. Don't be needed, be indifferent when you see her(the way you'd acted if you had a harem of 10 playmates at home waiting for you) . Have a fun time when your out, offer value, let her see what your about.
 

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tell her you find her sexy. vamp up the conversation. if you talk about platonic things all night then you'll be a friend forever.

i'd say that, by agreeing to go to a concert, you've convinced her to give you a chance. Don't blow it by being a "friend." This is your moment to show her how fun you are, to connect with her, and to prove that you're a better man than her boyfriend.
 

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marinetti said:
tell her you find her sexy. vamp up the conversation. if you talk about platonic things all night then you'll be a friend forever.

i'd say that, by agreeing to go to a concert, you've convinced her to give you a chance. Don't blow it by being a "friend." This is your moment to show her how fun you are, to connect with her, and to prove that you're a better man than her boyfriend.
Hmm, might be a little too much to just come out and call her sexy, though it IS a classical concert and she'll probably be a little dressed up.

Oh, and to date she hasn't mentioned having a boyfriend. You'd think if she did (or if she didn't, but just didn't want me to hit on her) she'd have mentioned him by now.
 

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call her sexy when she portrays her personality, not when she dresses up.

are you the fan of classical music? is she? let's do a quick breakdown:

If you ARE but she's NOT, explain how some of the music makes you feel. Ask her how it makes her feel. Tell her you think it's sexy that she's open to new experiences.

If you AREN'T and she IS, then make some statement ("Wow, that song was so fast and upbeat, I feel like I want to go run a marathon now. What do you think?") You're aiming for an answer that shows effort on her part, something where she truly is trying to let you know what she thinks. Then tell her you think it's sexy how passionate she is about music.

It's her personality you want to find sexy, not her body. Every guy in the world finds her body sexy. But one man in a million will find her personality sexy.

Oh, and when you tell her she's sexy, don't wait for a reply. Immediately change the subject. Just ask what the next song is, or where a good place to hang out in the area is. Have an idea yourself in case she doesn't. Lead, don't follow.
 

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We're both into classical music.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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talk about what musicians and pieces you're most passionate about. ask the same from her. ask her to explain how she feels about whatever piece. tell her you think it's sexy how well she can relate her feelings to you.

take her home. play your favorite piece. xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
 

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Wow, it sounds like you may have already ruined your opportunity to get her. When she mentioned that she is not interested in a relationship, what did you say? Because it seems to me like she is already the "prize" in the friendship you guys have established between each other, which is NOT a good thing.

Be a man, start to become the prize. The next time you make a slight move and she reminds you that she does not want a relationship you make sure you tell her that you do NOT want one either. Women want what they can't have. The moment they realize you want them, they will not want you anymore. It's as simple as that.

Just use ****y humor on her and when you talk with her, make it seem like she is always coming onto you.

Hope that helps. ;)
 

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i dunno if it's a lost cause or not. i think it's still possible.

no harm in trying after all, and besides, we all need calibration practice.

be a charming sexual guy, and if she won't dump her boyfriend, be sure you're the guy she calls when she breaks up with him in the future!
 

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marinetti said:
be a charming sexual guy, and if she won't dump her boyfriend, be sure you're the guy she calls when she breaks up with him in the future!
Am i missing something? Why do you keep mentioning the boyfriend she never claims to have?
 

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maybe i'm missing something. somehow i thought she was in a relationship.

although odds are that, if she's only looking for friendship, she IS in a relationship, or at least getting something on the side. virtually all women of quality are in the process of getting together or breaking up with someone at all times.

none of that matters to you. be seductive, and she will take care of all the extras on the side so that the two of you can get together.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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