Inception...anyone seen it?

[eaglez1177]

WARNING: SPOILER ALERT

Just got back from the movies and I gotta say, that sh*t was MIND BLOWING. Truly ridiculous. For those that have seen it, lets hear what you all think. Do you think he was in a dream at the final scene of the movie?

And can someone explain to me the relation between the first scene of the movie and the scene towards the end where hes back on the beach again

 

[HeyPachuco!]

I've just got back from the pictures to see this, all I can say is FVCKING WOW! What a brilliant masterpiece. 10/10. Action, story-line, absolutely superb! Me and my chick started throwing popcorn at the end because we were so disappointed and wanted to find out, it's such a mind-cracker. I reckon he didn't wake up atall Eaglez. I still believe he's in "Limbo" otherwise "it" would've stopped spinning. I like the way the producers made it tilt and near-enough STOP, but didn't. When a film gives you that type of emotion to an ending, you know it was good.

It's mindboggling to think that MAYBE, just MAYBE we could actually be just dreaming all this now. Maybe 3 or 4 dreams down lol. I need to watch it again, just to skim through some scenes, but the layer is out and I get the majority of it. Best film I've seen in 2010. It's just like how Matrix was when it first came out and does resemble some traits of the Matrix.

I don't wanna spoiler alert this thread about the first and ending scenes, but if you crack on to it when Cobb is caught by Saito's men at the beachend, Then the scene shows him being escorted back to Saito at the ENDING scene, (remember, he LEFT Mal to find Saito - But saito was already in LIMBO) it can possibly mean HE DID wake up, it didn't SHOW Saito KILLING both of them - remember the van (kick) hit the ocean, and he hadn't woken up like the rest. Just because Cobb had woken up in reality could only be his SUB-CONCIOUS from the 4th dream/Level of Cobb's world. (Him and Saito). I can't explain it, but it was worth a shot LOL.

 

[eaglez1177]

Lol yea its really tough to explain...im actually gonna see it again tomorrow with a few more friends so hopefully i'll have the complete understanding of it all by then. Man what a great movie though. If I remember correctly I think Nolan came up with the entire story and screenplay by himself (took him ten years I believe). That guy is one hell of a genius!

 

[EA Gold]

I haven't seen the movie but from the advertisements I've seen, this movie is about people using machines to look into peoples minds and find things.

I prefer not watch a movie that glorify's the CIA and its MK Ultra Project with its illegal mind experiments which maybe be continuing today.

There is always an agenda with Hollywood movies, either with occultist images, phrases or government propaganda such as this. Thanks but no thanks.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

Whatever, dude. Did you watch Matrix? I'm sure you have and that was one of Hollywood's biggest occultist visuals of all time. If you're a action-man, watch it. Don't judge it before giving it a shot. If you look for something hard enough, even if it's not there, you'll find it. In other words - If you want it to be related to occult empowerment or some form of subliminal symbolism, you CAN. If you look past that and just want to watch one of the best masterpieces of epic proportions in 2010 by Nolan, watch it.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Yea, it was ****ing awesome.

I don't think he got out of the dream at the end though. What bugs me is that he always sees his kids, but they never get a chance to look at him. And they ALWAYS look the same, they never grew at all at the end. It had to be a dream sequence.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

they never grew at all at the end. It had to be a dream sequence.

Yeah, but his kids in REALITY where the same AGE. Remember, Cobb was on the run from American Government Officials for allegedly killing his wife - Mal. He had spoken to his kids ont he phone (same age and growth). The time sequence of this is relatively the same. So I doubt his dreams would've changed there age and growth barrier.

The part I don't get, is the scene where he goes to the FOURTH DREAM (Just Cobb and Ariadane) to save Robert Fischer on the balcony (It was Cobb's fault in the first place why Fischer got killed in the THIRD DREAM - His dreams of his wife Mal and bad concious is what got Fischer killed), he says to Mal (FOURTH DREAM) that they GREW OLD, to the age of 60 years old. How is this? Didn't Mal commit suicide when they were in the Inception together?

The reason she commited suicide was because she was unhappy with living a LIE, whilst Cobb was happy being in an unrealistic realm. She wanted to wake up and get back in reality, but what did Cobb PLANT in her mind? Did he plant it in the dream realm or the real world? I'm confused.How did they make it to 60 years old?????????? You didn't see the scene where SAITO killed Cobb and himself, which tells me, Cobb is still in limbo.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Remember that spinning top? In the dream, Cobb's top doesn't stop spinning.

That's what he planted in her head, in the safe in her house. So Mal always felt like she was in a dream.

That's why she committed suicide in the dream and eventually left with Cobb. Cobb didn't want to stay, she did, so he planted the spinning top. Only problem was that caused the inception. That idea grew even stronger and she always felt like she was in a dream, so she killed herself in real life thinking it was fake.

I'm still not sure about the growing old with Mal part... looks like I have to see the movie again. There's way more stuff buried. Another thing that bugged me is that when they went to level 4 to rescue Fischer, only Cobb and the girl were hooked up to the machine. So I take it that they were all in the girl's dream? Since she was the architect of the realities.

The scene in limbo with Old Saito and Cobb, they were both pretty f*cked up in limbo. Slow to think, and weak. Took them awhile to figure what was going on. I don't think Cobb is still in Limbo in the last scenes. I think he "got out" and successfully completed the mission. I think the whole thing was still a dream. I don't think that Mal's dream ever ended. When he was talking to her on level 4 with the collapsing city, she tried to reason with him. Telling him how this was all make believe, spy chases across the world? Mysterious police forces and corporations, people shooting at him... that sounds like the other dreams to me.

 

[Darles Chickens]

The director behind it has never made a bad film IMHO...can't wait to see this. The trailers look fooking awesome!!!

Thanks guys!

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Wow, timely posts. I'm heading off tonight to see the 9:30 show.

Thanks for the reviews.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

Remember that spinning top? In the dream, Cobb's top doesn't stop spinning.

That's what he planted in her head, in the safe in her house. So Mal always felt like she was in a dream.

That's why she committed suicide in the dream and eventually left with Cobb. Cobb didn't want to stay, she did, so he planted the spinning top. Only problem was that caused the inception. That idea grew even stronger and she always felt like she was in a dream, so she killed herself in real life thinking it was fake.

Ahhhh, thanks for clearing that up. But isn't that the reason why Cobb planted the spinning top in her dolly house? Because she wanted to leave the dream realm, and he didn't want to go back to reality. He tricked her into it. So that means Cobb wanted to stay in the dream-realm with all their luxeries and free-leisure. On the 4th level near the end, YES, she did not want to go to reality, thats because I feel she didn't know YET. So I think you're refering to that part. The ending scene on the way to rescue Fischer (4th level) is a Mal that hadn't been effected by the corruption of her dreams and reality YET.

The scene in limbo with Old Saito and Cobb, they were both pretty f*cked up in limbo. Slow to think, and weak. Took them awhile to figure what was going on. I don't think Cobb is still in Limbo in the last scenes. I think he "got out" and successfully completed the mission. I think the whole thing was still a dream. I don't think that Mal's dream ever ended. When he was talking to her on level 4 with the collapsing city, she tried to reason with him. Telling him how this was all make believe, spy chases across the world? Mysterious police forces and corporations, people shooting at him... that sounds like the other dreams to me.

Actually, if you remember from the very beginning. On the train, who was that young Asian boy with the headphones? Saito SUPPOSEDLY woke up on the train next to him. Yet we see nothing about him later on, he wasn't any type of architect either? I think the entire film has some answer about the starting and ending scenes.

 

[sigma335]

Op can you put spoiler alert in your first post please?

 

[eaglez1177]

Ahhhh, thanks for clearing that up. But isn't that the reason why Cobb planted the spinning top in her dolly house? Because she wanted to leave the dream realm, and he didn't want to go back to reality. He tricked her into it. So that means Cobb wanted to stay in the dream-realm with all their luxeries and free-leisure. On the 4th level near the end, YES, she did not want to go to reality, thats because I feel she didn't know YET. So I think you're refering to that part. The ending scene on the way to rescue Fischer (4th level) is a Mal that hadn't been effected by the corruption of her dreams and reality YET.



Actually, if you remember from the very beginning. On the train, who was that young Asian boy with the headphones? Saito SUPPOSEDLY woke up on the train next to him. Yet we see nothing about him later on, he wasn't any type of architect either? I think the entire film has some answer about the starting and ending scenes.

No no, the reason why Cobb planted the spinning top was because he wanted to get out of the dream world that his wife eventually believed to be reality (after being in it for so long cuz they were in it for 50 years). The spinning top would only fall over in reality, and would spin infinitely in the dream world, which was how the whole concept of "totems" worked. They acted one way in reality, and acted a different way in the dream (Because of this, it helped the user distinguish reality from the dream world).

That being said, Inception DID in fact work on Cobbs wife. He accomplished what he wanted (which was to convince her that they were living in a dream world, not reality). Unfortunately, like Cobb described, the idea of Inception GREW within his wife's mind, to the point where once they were actually out of the dream world (they got out by killing themselves from a train), his wife believed that reality was not real as well, which was why she killed herself for real when she jumped off the balcony.

As for that young Asian boy, if you paid close attention I think Cobb or one of the guys paid him some money once they woke up. The asian boy was awake while they were all sleeping, so he couldnt have been the architect. What probably happened was Cobb payed the asian boy money to put the headphones on him at a certain time to wake him up.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Ahhhh, thanks for clearing that up. But isn't that the reason why Cobb planted the spinning top in her dolly house? Because she wanted to leave the dream realm, and he didn't want to go back to reality. He tricked her into it. So that means Cobb wanted to stay in the dream-realm with all their luxeries and free-leisure. On the 4th level near the end, YES, she did not want to go to reality, thats because I feel she didn't know YET. So I think you're refering to that part. The ending scene on the way to rescue Fischer (4th level) is a Mal that hadn't been effected by the corruption of her dreams and reality YET.

No, at the beginning Cobb was fed up with all the fantasy stuff. He only stayed in the dream they built because he loved Mal. That's why he performed inception on her and got her to commit suicide instead of killing her and himself. He couldn't hurt her (same way he couldn't hurt the projection of Mal). He wanted to escape when he realized it wasn't real.

She eventually committed suicide in real life. Afterwards he missed her so much that the only times he could see her was in his dreams, as a projection. That's why when we see his dreams when Ariadne comes along on the elevator ride, they're always with Mal and his kids, nothing else. Those are the only things important to him.

Actually, if you remember from the very beginning. On the train, who was that young Asian boy with the headphones? Saito SUPPOSEDLY woke up on the train next to him. Yet we see nothing about him later on, he wasn't any type of architect either? I think the entire film has some answer about the starting and ending scenes.

The Asian boy performed the same task as the flight attendant, same task as the other people on the other levels of the dreams. They look after the dreamers, someone always stays awake to play that music.


Anyways, I've got to watch this movie again. I'm not sure Adriane's role in all this. What bugs me is that she always want to go into Cobb's subconscious to "help him out". She always had the opportunity to just shoot the projection of Mal... like all the other security projections to get rid of her. She never did. She wanted to get deeper into Cobb's mind. And how did she make that bridge that was part of Cobb's memory? Just by accident? There's alot of places she could have created, but she chose that one.

Seems to me like she's not who she says she is. Could she be the real Mal in disguise? And the entire movie she's just trying to rescue Cobb from his dream world?

They say the totem is used to figure out who's dream it is. No one else can replicate the totem. Only the owner knows how it behaves. If you use the totem in someone else's dream it doesn't work like it should... just like at the end of the movie. I think the Totem kept spinning because Cobb was all in a dream. Mal's dream. She's the architect of all these places and trying to perform inception on Cobb's subconscious.

 

[Alle_Gory]

The spinning top would only fall over in reality, and would spin infinitely in the dream world, which was how the whole concept of "totems" worked. They acted one way in reality, and acted a different way in the dream (Because of this, it helped the user distinguish reality from the dream world).

The totem was to figure out who's dream it was. Only the owner knew how the totem worked, no one else could replicate it properly. That's why no one else was ever supposed to touch it, otherwise it could be duplicated in someone else's dream.

 

[Rogue]

I watched the film late last night and it was incredible. Instant science fiction classic. The story was a labyrinth and I will wait until the DVD to figure it out.

Alle_Gory:
[Mal] eventually committed suicide in real life. Afterwards he missed her so much that the only times he could see her was in his dreams, as a projection... I think the Totem kept spinning because Cobb was all in a dream. Mal's dream. She's the architect of all these places and trying to perform inception on Cobb's subconscious.

Your logic doesn't make sense. So then she didn't commit suicide in real-life because she's still dreaming.

 

[HeyPachuco!]

Alle Gory, you're the man LOL, but I still do not believe she commited suicide for the sake of staying in the dream, she was already in the dream-realm.

Thats a valid point, I to do not know why Adriane didn't shoot the projections of Mal either. I don't think Cobb's sub-concious would not allow it. Probably putting the entire team in more dangerous situations. If Cobb's sub-concious goes overboard, it could probably project into an all out war. Killing everyone, thus why he always wanted to stay CALM.

Remember the short-lived arguement he had with Arthur and Eames in the parking lot, when they I think the 2nd level, when Saito was shot by Cobb's projections. He stressed to Eames not to just kill Fischer. As Eames was startled at the thought of being in Limbo, too far ahead in dreamland. Anyway, I need to watch it again.

Eames (Tom Hardy) performance was top notch. What scene was this played in? I remember hearing it and I nearly got out of my seat, can't remember what it was that I saw though, I know it was epic - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHtXQIMN5v4

 

[Alle_Gory]

Your logic doesn't make sense. So then she didn't commit suicide in real-life because she's still dreaming.

There's different levels of the dream. Remember at the beginning at Saito's party when he was looking for the documents? That was a dream within a dream. When his friend got shot, he exited level two of the dream and went to level 1 which was the middle east. He didn't wake up fully, he only woke up from one level. I'm thinking when Mal committed suicide that she just left that one level... and Cobb was left alone. She tried to bring him along.

He could still be sharing the dream with Mal. Sometimes he's by himself in his own level of the dream which is how the spinning totem works properly, and when Mal tries to rescue him (disguised as Adriane), he enters her dream. From what he says before... Mal was a great architect, just like Adriane. So it's possible that Mal set up alot of the scenes and puzzles to pull him out.

Adriane always tries to get Cobb to get over Mal and come to terms with what happened, but doesn't want the projection killed at the end. I think that projection is one of the two things keeping him grounded, otherwise he would wander aimlessly in limbo. The other thing that keeps him grounded is the thought of his kids.

The last scene had to be part of a dream. His kids ALWAYS look the same. Always playing out on the grass in the afternoon sun.

Pachuco: I think the music was played as Arthur was moving everyone around in zero-g, then the music changes as the scene changes to the snow level action.

 

[eaglez1177]

Hmm, I gotta say Alle Gory your theories seem a little radical to me, but im gonna be seeing the movie again tonight so i'll probably come back on here to discuss further.

 

[Rogue]

Alle_Gory:
He could still be sharing the dream with Mal. Sometimes he's by himself in his own level of the dream which is how the spinning totem works properly, and when Mal tries to rescue him (disguised as Adriane), he enters her dream. From what he says before... Mal was a great architect, just like Adriane. So it's possible that Mal set up alot of the scenes and puzzles to pull him out.

You're still left with the same paradox. If what we believed was baseline reality (level zero) was another a dream level, which the final scene of the film leads to suggest, then how could it be Mal's dream if Mal was already dead.

Perhaps it was Miles' (Michael Caine) dream, the instructor, mentor figure. Where I would place my money, it was Ariadne's dream—she kept saying she wanted to better understand things. A labyrinthine romance story of an unrequited would-be lover, Ariadne, getting into his psyche to free him of his tormented fixation of his dead wife. Ariadne couldn't kill Mal because, as a rule in the dream universe, his realization had to be revealed to him through suggestion—he had to work it out himself, as if he had the idea.