In your opinion: How many dudes who attend their first PUA seminar..

[Naughty Ninja]

In your opinions: How many dudes who attend their first PUA seminar thinking they have problems meeting chicks sit there listening and watching those PUA weirdos and think to themselves: "WTF am I doing here?!" and leave to meet chicks like every other normal "natural" does?

 

[VladPatton]

Maybe, MAYBE 5% of them. Those PUA a$$holes appear like a savior to them, especially when they know how to talk to that targeted desperate audience. They have long, drawn out speeches, focusing on a super technical tactic (to fill time) and always make them believe it was their fault for the girl not being attracted. The more they make them feel at fault, the more shyt they can feed them, sell them, and the better they'll look to those poor AFC's. If it's not this it's that, if it ain't that it's THIS. Rinse and repeat.

Pretty phucked up shyt to be tied to those snake oil salesmen. In fact, I found this website after Googling "Are PUAs scammers?".

 

[Purefilth]

The PUA's are scammers. Very charismatic, but they charge for lessons that I'll give out for free when im having a beer. Cos I'm nice like that -

Last night I taught an unfortunate 'terrible with the ladies'(his words) how to go up to a chick at the bar hb8, and take her number, then AMOG the friend (male) who was trying to ****block me.

LOL - poor lad asked me very politely if he could please talk to his friend

I laughed and let him through. Lesson Done, no charge because it was fun!

 

[Mike32ct]

Even worse is when they "interview" other "gurus" so you get lots of conflicting information. The primary guru tells you to be funny. His buddy tells you to be serious. His buddy's buddy tells you to be an as$hole. You leave more lost than ever. But they have to do this to fill the time. You can't spend hours telling guys just talk to girls lol.

Plus these guys are so used to acting "alpha" and "higher value" that they can be condescending pricks in person. They act really nice, cool, and charismatic on camera, but most are awful people in person. I've met three of them personally (but won't name names). This is unlike a lot of naturals that are cool guys all around to girls and guys.

I also agree with the other poster that they want you to believe it is always your fault. She's just not into your type looks-wise, but somehow, according to a PUA, there is something you could have done differently so that she'd b@ng you. Good luck with that.

Women really aren't stupid. You can only "game" them to the extent they are attracted to you and they "let" you game them.

 

[JohnnyStorm]

I'd actually love to go to (a free) one just to see who attends and what the people are like.

Tbf, it's just the same as anyone trying to sell training etc. It's the same with the personal development guru's, there's always another expensive course or audio program that you need. They need people to become reliant on them or they're out of a job.

 

[zekko]

In your opinions: How many dudes who attend their first PUA seminar thinking they have problems meeting chicks sit there listening and watching those PUA weirdos and think to themselves: "WTF am I doing here?!" and leave to meet chicks like every other normal "natural" does?

If it's a free one, probably quite a few. But if they paid they must be pretty heavily invested into it. Some of those cost several thousand dollars. I can't imagine spending that much money on something like pickup.

Plus these guys are so used to acting "alpha" and "higher value" that they can be condescending pricks in person. They act really nice, cool, and charismatic on camera, but most are awful people in person. I've met three of them personally (but won't name names). This is unlike a lot of naturals that are cool guys all around to girls and guys.

Some of them are probably so used to "tooling out" guys all the time, and have to protect their ego so they can continue to believe what a super pimp they are.

I also agree with the other poster that they want you to believe it is always your fault. She's just not into your type looks-wise, but somehow, according to a PUA, there is something you could have done differently so that she'd b@ng you. Good luck with that.

Agreed.

Women really aren't stupid. You can only "game" them to the extent they are attracted to you and they "let" you game them.

Yeah, a lot of game is built around not screwing up. Which is good, because if you're not experienced, you may not realize all the ways that you can screw up. There are things you can do to build attraction. But to be fair, a lot of gurus tell you that if a girl isn't feeling you, then don't waste your time on her, go to the next one.

 

[SeymourCake]

PUA is a bunch of crap and it's a scam for the most part because it's strictly based on rules and regulations and people who follow it are hesitant to break the rules.

It's all about self improving yourself in every way possible, and expanding your social circle. Also, stay positive and be patient. This is the few elements of being a Don Juan.

The key to everyone here is to become a Don Juan, not a gimmick PUA.