In my area, I mostly only have success with these types of women. Why?

[Oatmeal31]

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

It has been much, much harder for me to pull girls that live here (Chicago city area) and are younger. If I get a number, they usually flake/ghost or renege. If those girls are in a group, it gets even harder. Their friends typically ****block and try to speak for her or the girl I came up to rejects to not seem like a $lut, I'm assuming. Occasionally, their friends don't mind and the other girls stand aside and let me work.

I don't want to only score with tourists. There are hot options but there are plenty more attractive girls walking around that live here. Also, the volume of tourists fluctuates. One week, there are a ton and the next, not so much.

Lately, I've been going more direct than usual and take over the interaction with a lot of boldness, and I get more positive reactions than I have with any other approach (in this city). They smile, laugh, I've been told that they love the confidence, they stick in the interaction for a bit longer, etc.

But most of the time, I get the 'Thank you, but I'm seeing someone' 'Thanks, that's sweet but I do have a boyfriend', and 'I don't think my boyfriend would like that.' 'I'm married'(what's odd is they're usually only in their early/mid 20s and already married)
Statistically, it's impossible for 90% of these girls to be taken, so I'm not buying it

The tourists are pretty receptive but should I aim to build more rapport and comfort with the girls that live here? I have described the Chicago population as more reserved and cliquey, so they seem less carefree..

I've not even been getting numbers lately. It's weird. I try something new. One week, it works great and I'm raking more in. The next, it's like my method got patched and no longer works lol.

Starting off indirect, then going direct and building conversation worked pretty good for rapport and getting numbers, but often got told I was sweet and it led nowhere. Rapport building.

Going very direct, bold and brash gets more positive reactions and less blowouts as it gets to the point and is more polarizing, but could be going for the close too quickly, since it triggers the I have a BF response. Emphasis on tonality, less cookie cutter

I made a post on this before and guess I need try practicing mixing both methods together, instead of one or the other.

If you have feedback, please, only from those that cold approach. I don't want a flunk that sticks to dating apps and what not. Cold approach often feels wildly inefficient, but it scratches an itch for me, and dating apps are just a waste of time



Thanks

 

[CornbreadFed]

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

Because they are the lowest hanging fruit in the market lol. Checking all of the boxes for desperate and no defense wall.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Because they are the lowest hanging fruit in the market lol. Checking all of the boxes for desperate and no defense wall.

They have to have defense walls to not be low hanging fruit? And tourists are desperate? News to me.

 

[SW15]

Cold approach often feels wildly inefficient

It is, especially non-bar approaching.

dating apps are just a waste of time

They are, unless you are in the Top 10-20% of looks.

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

Was this the case when you lived in Gainesville, FL prior to Chicago?

You have a situation in seduction where your relocation tanked your outcomes. This is something I have seen less commonly over the years.

most of the time, I get the 'Thank you, but I'm seeing someone' 'Thanks, that's sweet but I do have a boyfriend', and 'I don't think my boyfriend would like that.' 'I'm married'(what's odd is they're usually only in their early/mid 20s and already married)
Statistically, it's impossible for 90% of these girls to be taken, so I'm not buying it

This seems like an indicator of weak verbal game, mid-tier or worse looks, and possibly a bad EFA (Early Frame Announcement).

In the last 10-15 years, I have gotten the boyfriend line far less frequently. I thought the IHAB (I Have a Boyfriend) was dead, until I saw this video below from 2021. My conversations tend to fizzle out without a boyfriend disclosure.

My sense is that you are pushing too hard with weak prospects, leading to the boyfriend excuse or actual women with boyfriends.

Are you using boyfriend destroyer lines? You must use a boyfriend destroyer line when you get that excuse.

 

[CornbreadFed]

They have to have defense walls to not be low hanging fruit? And tourists are desperate? News to me.

Tourists are in vacation mode and free from their boundaries & limitations that they would have at home. Older women are just more loose because they aren’t as valuable.

 

[SW15]

Tourists are in vacation mode and free from their boundaries & limitations that they would have at home.

This is an idea that makes sense.

Dallas doesn't get that many tourists. It's not a major part of our mating scene.

When Dallas gets tourists, it is usually under one of the 3 occasions..

1. Business travelers for meetings/conferences
2. People seeing family who live around the Dallas-Fort Worth area
3. Large sports events: Every year, Dallas hosts the University of Oklahoma - University of Texas football game. So many azzholes are in the city for that. Dallas is about halfway between the campuses of those 2 universities. Dallas hosted the NCAA Basketball Final Four in 2014. Dallas has the Cotton Bowl college football bowl game annually too. Dallas will have FIFA World Cup soccer games in 2026.

With you being in Nashville, you have Broadway going constantly. Broadway is a tourist magnet and bachelorette party magnet. I think that affects the local seduction scene.

When I was in Phoenix, there were more tourists. Phoenix attracts people for winter leisure vacations from cold USA states and internationally. Most of that segment is married and not actively participating in the mating scene. I also tended to go to venues where fewer tourists went, even in Old Town Scottsdale. Single women in their 20s didn't tend to randomly go to Phoenix/Scottsdale for a week when I lived there.

I am hearing about more bachelorette parties in Scottsdale lately. Bachelorette parties are more attention whoring than actual whoring.

Older women are just more loose because they aren’t as valuable.

This can happen. Most women in their 30s/40s are seeking similarly aged men. There are some younger men that can see a benefit from this, but it is a lower percentage play.

 

[CornbreadFed]

With you being in Nashville, you have Broadway going constantly. Broadway is a tourist magnet and bachelorette party magnet. I think that affects the local seduction scene.

Yeah, people will hook up with some tourist in Broadway and think that represents the entire dating scene in Nashville which is the furthest thing from the truth. The dating scene in Nashville consists of close knit social circles with women married by 25 and the remaining single 49ers and mid women fvcking around with Mr. Fun Brad boy toys until they are old and washed up. Life is miserable for the average man without a lucrative social circle in Nashville.

 

[SW15]

people will hook up with some tourist in Broadway and think that represents the entire dating scene in Nashville which is the furthest thing from the truth.

Are there local guys in Nashville who spend time in the Broadway section of Downtown Nashville and seek out short term sex with tourist women? That seems like it could be a niche within Nashville.

I think there are local Las Vegas men who go to the Strip to seek tourist pussie there.

The dating scene in Nashville consists of close knit social circles with women married by 25 and the remaining single 49ers and mid women fvcking around with Mr. Fun Brad boy toys until they are old and washed up. Life is miserable for the average man without a lucrative social circle in Nashville.

This is interesting. Dallas has a lot of transplanted adults so I don't think there's as much emphasis on close knit social circles. However, I think there are some social circles here. As a transplant to this region near age 30, I was never able to crack one of the social circles.

Average tier men without a lucrative social circle are going to have a difficult time in Dallas. A lot of transplanted women in Dallas are superficial women on the apps and in bars seeking top tier men. There are mid-tier women in Dallas who are short term sexual partners for top tier guys. I know of a woman in the 7-8 range (borderline cute-hot, strong physique from exercise) who has mainly been a shorter term sex partner for top tier men. She is nearing old and washed up status in her early 30s.

Even with weaker social circles from a transplant-heavy culture, the mid-tier man in Dallas will benefit if he can have a circle here. The culture around bars and apps in Dallas is not favorable to mid-tier men.

There's less of an emphasis on early marriage in Dallas as compared to Nashville.

 

[Oatmeal31]

It is, especially non-bar approaching.



They are, unless you are in the Top 10-20% of looks.



Was this the case when you lived in Gainesville, FL prior to Chicago?

You have a situation in seduction where your relocation tanked your outcomes. This is something I have seen less commonly over the years.



This seems like an indicator of weak verbal game, mid-tier or worse looks, and possibly a bad EFA (Early Frame Announcement).

In the last 10-15 years, I have gotten the boyfriend line far less frequently. I thought the IHAB (I Have a Boyfriend) was dead, until I saw this video below from 2021. My conversations tend to fizzle out without a boyfriend disclosure.

My sense is that you are pushing too hard with weak prospects, leading to the boyfriend excuse or actual women with boyfriends.

Are you using boyfriend destroyer lines? You must use a boyfriend destroyer line when you get that excuse.

My verbal game was much weaker in Gainesville, but I often went to the club and I got much more consistent results doing that. Just way easier. I did go out cold approach often but there was faaar less volume because it's a smaller city and everybody leaves when college is over with. I had pitiful results with cold approaching but girls were just way more friendly and polite. In regards to cold approaching outside of a bar/club the relocation didn't tank my outcomes. The girls were just notably more polite in Gainesville. You ask if I had the tourist situation in Gainesville. No, there were far less and usually out of the way. Only tourists I regularly came across were those at a hotel I used to work at when living there

I rarely ever to to the club/bar since I've moved here, just mainly cold approach. My verbal game leveled up big time because I was able to practice with a lot more volume and girls have been harsher, in my experience, so I adapted to the difficulty.

I'll give you a template of what I've been using lately. Keep in mind, I've been trying different things.

If she's coming my way, I always start moving towards here with about 6ft between us, not much less otherwise she gets a startled. If she's walking ahead of me, I walk/jog until I reach her by the side or slightly ahead and then strike up conversation

Then I shoot my pitch with bold tonality, "I was going that way, but saw you and just thought you were fvcking beautiful." They usually blush, laugh, or say thank you, and then I jump to saying, "I gotta plan for both of us," little pause they go uhuh and listen, "I'm gonna take you out on a bomb ass date(I say this), we have some fun, go to a few places, then I give you a- you like massages?" "They go yeah, I like massages." "I give you a massage" and we're laughing as I say this.

At some point as I'm shooting my pitch I take her hand, ask her name, she lets me hold it and I'm caressing her hand with my thumb as I do. Sometimes they gently pull away.

"How's that sound?" And then I get a pattern of responses. Often is I have a BF, but I'm flattered or I like the confidence though. Or they say it sounds like fun, and I take their number and we go from there. Sometimes they ghost.

That's what I've been doing lately. And I've gotten better reception than other approaches like going up and making indirect conversation that has to do with them, and then going direct right to express my interest. That approach can get me 3-10mins of good conversation but maybe I wouldn't keep throwing in emotional spikes, so I'd get the you're sweet but- response.

I'm thinking about mixing the approaches so that I get the best of both worlds, but if I got the I have a BF response I didn't see the point in lengthening the interaction. I have used "boyfriend destroyer lines" on occasion I guess, but doesn't really do much when they actually have one.

I don't believe my verbal game is weak. I always have something to work on, and I strive to practice but if me and you met, I think you'd say it's decent at least. I'm very comfortable interacting with all kinds of strangers, and can bring people out of their shell, so my social skills are there.

Looks? I'm objectively not ugly. Maybe my face is "mid-tier" but women have said I'm handsome. I rarely ever see someone that has as good of a physique as mine. Not exaggerating or boasting, just giving you context.

Now, you say you sense I'm pushing too hard with weak prospects. With this approach lately, yeah, maybe it's a bit strong but I'm not sure what you mean by weak prospects. I only ever hot on attractive girls. I'm talking 8s and 9s very often. Not what I would call weak. I hit on girls that are shorter, same height, often times taller, girls in groups of 2, 3, 4, 5. Doesn't matter if they happen to be a tourist or not, I don't find out until I hit on them. If they're attractive I make a move.

At some point I was starting to think that it had to do with color since Chicago neighborhoods are pretty segregated. I'm hispanic. 95%+ of the time I'm hitting on white girls. The only 5% or so are hispanic. I rarely see mixed couples when out and about

Now that being said, competition seems way stronger here in Chicago than it did in Gainesville. There are well off options for a women when she goes to a bar/club or uses dating apps. At that point, the only way I stand out is by being brave enough to cold approach and projecting confidence

So, yeah. There's a sticking point. Lately, I feel I go for the close too quickly and that prompts the IHABF line. The interaction is probably only a couple minutes when I take over with that bold pitch and go for it.

 

[Isildur1]

Doing daygame most of my lays came from tourists and I think it’s easy to see why

no slut shamming and no judgement from friends also they are alone and needing to hang out with

women born and raised in my city London usually were already in relationships by the time I’d approached them so the majority would reject my advances right off the bat

 

[characternote]

Doing daygame most of my lays came from tourists and I think it’s easy to see why

yep! I noticed this pattern many many years back when watching infields from pro day gamers. Like 95% of their lays came from tourists. The local girls ignored them lol

 

[Oatmeal31]

Tourists are in vacation mode and free from their boundaries & limitations that they would have at home. Older women are just more loose because they aren’t as valuable.

They aren't much older. I'm 26, the girls I usually end picking up are late 20s. They were really attractive too, they were actually just pretty reserved, and weren't the type you'd see at the bar/club so they don't get hit on as much I assume. So I'm not sure the 'value' part has to do with them

I've hit on even older women before, say 30s/40s
The older they are, the easier they are though, yes, in my experience. Holds true for attractive women in their 30s/40s. I made a thread a while ago on that.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Are there local guys in Nashville who spend time in the Broadway section of Downtown Nashville and seek out short term sex with tourist women? That seems like it could be a niche within Nashville.

I think there are local Las Vegas men who go to the Strip to seek tourist pussie there.

Yes, but Broadway is something that you can only do once a month because it is expensive and exhausting.

This is interesting. Dallas has a lot of transplanted adults so I don't think there's as much emphasis on close knit social circles. However, I think there are some social circles here. As a transplant to this region near age 30, I was never able to crack one of the social circles.

Average tier men without a lucrative social circle are going to have a difficult time in Dallas. A lot of transplanted women in Dallas are superficial women on the apps and in bars seeking top tier men. There are mid-tier women in Dallas who are short term sexual partners for top tier guys. I know of a woman in the 7-8 range (borderline cute-hot, strong physique from exercise) who has mainly been a shorter term sex partner for top tier men. She is nearing old and washed up status in her early 30s.

Even with weaker social circles from a transplant-heavy culture, the mid-tier man in Dallas will benefit if he can have a circle here. The culture around bars and apps in Dallas is not favorable to mid-tier men.

There's less of an emphasis on early marriage in Dallas as compared to Nashville.

Nashville lacks a healthy amount of single mid-twenties to late 30s career women that men can meet. Most of your single women in Nashville past 25 are mentally screwed women still living at her parents or women fvcking around with Mr.Fun Brads until they are pregnant or too washed up. You are better off going to Broadway and dealing with drunk tourist women with no connections to Nashville.