In my area, I mostly only have success with these types of women. Why?

[Oatmeal31]

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

It has been much, much harder for me to pull girls that live here (Chicago city area) and are younger. If I get a number, they usually flake/ghost or renege. If those girls are in a group, it gets even harder. Their friends typically ****block and try to speak for her or the girl I came up to rejects to not seem like a $lut, I'm assuming. Occasionally, their friends don't mind and the other girls stand aside and let me work.

I don't want to only score with tourists. There are hot options but there are plenty more attractive girls walking around that live here. Also, the volume of tourists fluctuates. One week, there are a ton and the next, not so much.

Lately, I've been going more direct than usual and take over the interaction with a lot of boldness, and I get more positive reactions than I have with any other approach (in this city). They smile, laugh, I've been told that they love the confidence, they stick in the interaction for a bit longer, etc.

But most of the time, I get the 'Thank you, but I'm seeing someone' 'Thanks, that's sweet but I do have a boyfriend', and 'I don't think my boyfriend would like that.' 'I'm married'(what's odd is they're usually only in their early/mid 20s and already married)
Statistically, it's impossible for 90% of these girls to be taken, so I'm not buying it

The tourists are pretty receptive but should I aim to build more rapport and comfort with the girls that live here? I have described the Chicago population as more reserved and cliquey, so they seem less carefree..

I've not even been getting numbers lately. It's weird. I try something new. One week, it works great and I'm raking more in. The next, it's like my method got patched and no longer works lol.

Starting off indirect, then going direct and building conversation worked pretty good for rapport and getting numbers, but often got told I was sweet and it led nowhere. Rapport building.

Going very direct, bold and brash gets more positive reactions and less blowouts as it gets to the point and is more polarizing, but could be going for the close too quickly, since it triggers the I have a BF response. Emphasis on tonality, less cookie cutter

I made a post on this before and guess I need try practicing mixing both methods together, instead of one or the other.

If you have feedback, please, only from those that cold approach. I don't want a flunk that sticks to dating apps and what not. Cold approach often feels wildly inefficient, but it scratches an itch for me, and dating apps are just a waste of time



Thanks

 

[CornbreadFed]

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

Because they are the lowest hanging fruit in the market lol. Checking all of the boxes for desperate and no defense wall.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Because they are the lowest hanging fruit in the market lol. Checking all of the boxes for desperate and no defense wall.

They have to have defense walls to not be low hanging fruit? And tourists are desperate? News to me.

 

[SW15]

Cold approach often feels wildly inefficient

It is, especially non-bar approaching.

dating apps are just a waste of time

They are, unless you are in the Top 10-20% of looks.

These are the women I consistently have the most success with. They usually check all 3 boxes:
Tourists
Traveling alone (or just happen to be themselves when I approach)
Slightly older

Was this the case when you lived in Gainesville, FL prior to Chicago?

You have a situation in seduction where your relocation tanked your outcomes. This is something I have seen less commonly over the years.

most of the time, I get the 'Thank you, but I'm seeing someone' 'Thanks, that's sweet but I do have a boyfriend', and 'I don't think my boyfriend would like that.' 'I'm married'(what's odd is they're usually only in their early/mid 20s and already married)
Statistically, it's impossible for 90% of these girls to be taken, so I'm not buying it

This seems like an indicator of weak verbal game, mid-tier or worse looks, and possibly a bad EFA (Early Frame Announcement).

In the last 10-15 years, I have gotten the boyfriend line far less frequently. I thought the IHAB (I Have a Boyfriend) was dead, until I saw this video below from 2021. My conversations tend to fizzle out without a boyfriend disclosure.

My sense is that you are pushing too hard with weak prospects, leading to the boyfriend excuse or actual women with boyfriends.

Are you using boyfriend destroyer lines? You must use a boyfriend destroyer line when you get that excuse.

 

[CornbreadFed]

They have to have defense walls to not be low hanging fruit? And tourists are desperate? News to me.

Tourists are in vacation mode and free from their boundaries & limitations that they would have at home. Older women are just more loose because they aren’t as valuable.

 

[SW15]

Tourists are in vacation mode and free from their boundaries & limitations that they would have at home.

This is an idea that makes sense.

Dallas doesn't get that many tourists. It's not a major part of our mating scene.

When Dallas gets tourists, it is usually under one of the 3 occasions..

1. Business travelers for meetings/conferences
2. People seeing family who live around the Dallas-Fort Worth area
3. Large sports events: Every year, Dallas hosts the University of Oklahoma - University of Texas football game. So many azzholes are in the city for that. Dallas is about halfway between the campuses of those 2 universities. Dallas hosted the NCAA Basketball Final Four in 2014. Dallas has the Cotton Bowl college football bowl game annually too. Dallas will have FIFA World Cup soccer games in 2026.

With you being in Nashville, you have Broadway going constantly. Broadway is a tourist magnet and bachelorette party magnet. I think that affects the local seduction scene.

When I was in Phoenix, there were more tourists. Phoenix attracts people for winter leisure vacations from cold USA states and internationally. Most of that segment is married and not actively participating in the mating scene. I also tended to go to venues where fewer tourists went, even in Old Town Scottsdale. Single women in their 20s didn't tend to randomly go to Phoenix/Scottsdale for a week when I lived there.

I am hearing about more bachelorette parties in Scottsdale lately. Bachelorette parties are more attention whoring than actual whoring.

Older women are just more loose because they aren’t as valuable.

This can happen. Most women in their 30s/40s are seeking similarly aged men. There are some younger men that can see a benefit from this, but it is a lower percentage play.

 

[CornbreadFed]

With you being in Nashville, you have Broadway going constantly. Broadway is a tourist magnet and bachelorette party magnet. I think that affects the local seduction scene.

Yeah, people will hook up with some tourist in Broadway and think that represents the entire dating scene in Nashville which is the furthest thing from the truth. The dating scene in Nashville consists of close knit social circles with women married by 25 and the remaining single 49ers and mid women fvcking around with Mr. Fun Brad boy toys until they are old and washed up. Life is miserable for the average man without a lucrative social circle in Nashville.