In memory of Jophil, one of the best threads in MM, ever.

[Boilermaker]

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=168190

It's a 10-page read, and all the legends of SoSuave contribute to a blow-by-blow account of a witty, playful, and incredible saga from Jophil.

 

[zekko]

One of the classics, for sure. I've always wondered what happened to that woman from the thread that he was seeing. I'm not sure, but I got the impression they were still together at the time of his unfortunate passing. A big loss for the forum, definitely.

The thing I always admired about Jophil was how he could disagree with you and basically call you an idiot but he'd do it in such a manner that you would feel like a big brother was kindly correcting you.

 

[Boilermaker]

I agree. He was an elegant and civil debater. Your disagreement in that post, and the way both of you handled it was exemplary.

I have much to learn, still.

 

[BeDJ]

I want to believe, truly believe, the woman who sent 5string the letter was this HB7 after reading the thread.

But holy f*ck

That said, and from what I can gather from your report here JOPHIL, women with the propensity to defer to a 3rd party psychotherapist are attempting to control the frame by proxy. Essentially she's expecting you to accept Leanne as the higher authority (higher than yourself, which is rightly angering you), who'll then hand the frame back to her if you accept her authority. She's like a hostage negotiator.

And

Jophil: HB7, we are both mature adults. You know just as well as I do that men need s3x for healthy relationships to continue. Yet for some reason, after a year of being intimate you have decided to give up on a crucial part of any healthy relationship. At the same time, when asked you have provided no answers to my questions regarding your rather abrupt change in behaviour. I am now making the last decision which is in the best interest for both of us. This relationship is over. And being just friends will just drag out longer. So you know, the world is filled with men who will respond to your changes in the way you had hoped. However, I know that neither you or I would have been truly happy had I even once joined their ranks. For some reason, you changed and it ended this? I do hope that you find what you're looking for now. Your things are packed, I'll help you carry them out to your car.

I'd never mention the therapist in the statement. I'd Never call again. I'd Never answer the phone. I'd Delete every text and email. And you know what, we'd both be better people for it because I knew it passed that terminal point and ended it. Meanwhile, her plan has totally failed. She knows the real cause - the therapist - not trusting her gut and following someone else.

The therapist can console and assure her I was not the right guy (but even she will know deep down that I was one of the rare ones that stands my ground no matter what). HB will feel tremendous guilt for a good amount of time. However, this is not punishment. It is her wake up call back to the natural order she was nudged and shamed into fighting. Plus HB learns a very valuable lesson. DJ's are pretty friggin' rare. If she meets another one (not very likely) she'll know to accept and compliment his life, not test away. Along the way, she'll really tear apart the first couple of chumps which will just reminder her more and more of the mistake she made here. And hopefully a few of those chumps will get knocked out of the matrix long enough to see that they've been in a slumber their entire lives.

 

[Aristippus]

I read this old topic just a few minutes ago. Another classic example of what can be summed up in a few words..... Most women are emotional masochists that lack critical thinking skills. Easily misled and extremely gullible. That's the root of the problem.

 

[Aristippus]

By the way, it was interesting and definitely worth the read.

 

[AW1983]

That thread is one of the all time greats. I just re-read it all again.

To be honest, regardless of what some of the hardline pundits were replying with, I don't think any less of him if he got back with her or not. The whole thing was a giant sh!t test and he passed with flying colors. Weeks later when she came back begging for forgiveness (as I suspect likely happened) he owned the frame 110%. He demonstrated his abundance of options (to himself, and perhaps her if she found out) by spinning plates immediately. I doubt she would ever pull that nonsense again, after seeing and experiencing the devastating blowback.

Ironically, one of the posters coming down hardest on him for not walking went on to later excuse poor behavior and red flags from the girl he then proceeded to marry. Love's crazy like that huh? And I don't judge either one of them, because to me being a true DJ and being a Man is about owning your own choices and drawing your own lines in the sand...not barking out "How high!" when the members of SS order you to jump...

 

[zekko]

Jophil was the best civil debater on the forum. I'm trying to recall a time when he wrote an angry word or was disrespectful to another poster. Maybe he did at some point or other but I can't think of one.

 

[Desdinova]

I moved it to the archive

 

[flashpoint]

Most women are emotional masochists that lack critical thinking skills. Easily misled and extremely gullible. That's the root of the problem.

how is that a problem?

 

[typical]

It's not a problem men want women to think like a man yet look and behave like a woman.

It's mutually exclusive for that to happen and when it does happen you get a overweight lesbian who has a bigger penis then you do.

 

[Aristippus]

It becomes a problem when it goes far beyond the natural feminine tendency due to bad conditioning. Bad behavior does not = femininity. It just so happens that half of the population are receiving bad conditioning from every end of the spectrum. If it isn't other women, it's other men (the ones that grovel and are too afraid to lose a woman's approval) that do the conditioning, wittingly or unwittingly.

As men we have to raise our standards. To not raise your standards is the same as tearing out your indoor plumbing and resorting to using the bathroom in the streets. Women need to be held to a high code of conduct as well as men. Think of it like the feminine equivalent of chivalry.