"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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In abit of a pickle

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Theres this girl that I like and we have gone out a couple a couple of times and we've kissed and hooked up together but I dont know if she wants to be boyfriend/girlfriend.

We talk on MSN alot and call occasionally and she often talks about other hot guys she sees and she talks to, but then again so do I. How can i break it too her that it would be good to get into a relationship and I want to get into a relationship with her before she actually gets together with one of these hot guys(Its my fear, yes I know thats bad but if it does happen ill get over it, I just dont particularly WANT it to happen)?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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She is also studying alot for the big end of school exam comming up in a few days (which shes very stressed about) hence she being unable to do anything at all with anyone (she stopped her studying just to come out with me a few times which she hasnt done for anyone else). So we cant really go out for a little while.
 

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Sounds like a problem you can send through to the dating column of a gossip magazine.

Dr Keeper (A man of many break ups), responds:

There prolly is the interest level, and her mentions on hot guys are probably attempts at getting your attention. They're sublime ways of saying: "Yooohoo! Wake up you slow poke! When are you gonna get serious with me? I'm not gonna try making you jealous for much longer..."

So how would you go about turning this into a blossoming relationship?

Exercise the DJ ways you can read about here and here.

My 2c, though, are: just step up your game. Begin to be more exclusive with her. :)
 

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So do you mean talk to her more? talk to her less?

Also I have read many of the DJ articles, and is there any suggestions on excuses on how I can get her to see me when shes studying, or should I just leave it until after (which is like 3 weeks)?
 

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Uhh... I've learnt not to disturb people who say they're studying. So don't ask me about that.

And as for talking to her... yeah, you could try spending more time with her. That would seem like the logical thing to do if you want to move into a relationship. :)

Oh, just remembered. Never seek her approval for going into this relationship. Take the lead here - she's dying to follow. ;)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Yer I think I need to spend more time with her but i cant because of the study :confused:
And 3 weeks is a long time
 

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Don't be an emotinal tampoon, know what you want from that relationship. If she doesn't deliver, move on. In your case, make a move and see what happens. You either are gonna ruin your "friendship" or have a girl to date. Either way, it shouldnt matter if u didnt want friendship in the first place.

ps. then again I re-read your post and probably missed the point. doh.
 

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Okay now shes treating me like a friend. Today she told me how she was talking to this hot guy all day and she thinks she might have a chance (but she said she was joking). Again, how can I get in there when shes studying? Do i basically talk to her and ask her whats going on? Should I ask her out and says its a 'proper date' or what?
 

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and how do you recommend I react when she talks about some other hot guy. Cause atm im pretending not to care and just laughing at it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by jtb123
...she often talks about other hot guys she sees and she talks to, but then again so do I.
There's the answer. She thinks you're gay.
:D

Just kidding. Her big talk about other guys is a test for you. As in, can you handle it or do you get jealous out of an inferiorority complex. The next time she does this, suggest that she should hook up with the guy in question. That'll send her reeling and very much demonstrate that you're secure within yourself.

Do it!
 
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