"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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guys im confused...
im 22, great looking, drive a seriously nice car, and live in an amazing house
pick up a girl (hb9) in club, she sees that im hitting on all the girls so knows i have social proof.
call 5 days later and arrange meet. do everything perfectly as according to the bible etc. play hard to get, be aloof, keep her laughing, dress up nicely, action date, take her to mine, LOTS of kino (high fives, arms round them handholding), did some push pull, some qualifying and even threw in a couple of neg hits + the whole sisonpyh technique(kept telling her she'd make a good friend whilst mixed messages). we're at mine all night watching films and shes in my arms, shes laughing constantly at all my c&f comments and its going good, we get along great. she even says "how can u be so great" to which i reply "thanks for the compliment but i prefer a massage" etc etc... the whole works!

problem-
im seeing ioi's here there and everywhere - flicking hair, rubbing leg, punching my arm etc...
so i let the comfort build, then start to play with the hair, then go for the kiss, she pulls away semi-smiling so i pull an LMR freezeout by turning the lights back on.
get into comfort zone again, wait for buying temperature to rise, go for kiss again 15 min later, she pulls away. WHAT THE xxxx? lol? shes a hot girl who definitely aint shy, and she doesnt look like an innocent one either!

playing games? lack of interest? :(
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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this is a woman you are dealing with remember
 
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this happened once you say?

once? whats the problem here

not all womenare the same and some will act differently, some believe its appopriate to involve themself in a physical relationship as well as having a fun, enjoyable emotional relationship

not everything is about sex

you'll be right
 
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lordson- i get ur point, yeah, but this never happened before so im looking at correcting my methods. i dont give 2 ****s for this girl but my method is what counts. my ego is not at all affected, no woman could touch my ego - i just like to correct mistakes where they go wrong.

dont think shes seeing someone else, she got dumped by her bf a few weeks back.

me and my wing are stumped. im thinking maybe she thinks im a player therefore wouldnt let me get my way 1st date. but ****.. even a kiss?? hmm....
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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dumped by bf recently? usually they are kinda receptive to physical relationships from my experience.
 
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tell me about it. her friend even said she needed someone to "help her" get over her ex lol... maybe she felt a bit slutty?
 
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DonS,
Dude, that sounds like a good plan... my wing and i were discussing it earlier and we suggested that all the games im running might be making her uncomfortable - like you said, she wants something a bit more genuine so to speak. maybe my game was a bit too overpowering - damn i even made her pay for the mini-golf game we had (i made a bet with her - you lose you pay-for a challenge) which might have been a bit harsh - probably should have gone dutch.

im going to take your advice because me and my boy were just thinking the same thing. next time i think i might take her on a genuine date (give her a chance), maybe a meal or something - show her that i am a human being not a machine! lol

you're answers have been right in the past to my questions bro so i trust your judgement again. Ill let you know how it goes!
 
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ok guys.. update - been on about 6 or 7 dates with her - action dates/movies/her place/my place/cooking, you name it. lots of kino, lots of rapport building, some push pull and ive toned down the game a bit. furthest we've gone is kissing and it fukking suxx - every time i kiss her, she pulls away after and says 'plz can ya take me home now' so i drive her home. same drill every time we meet.

i was thinking about nexting her, but everytime i go to do that she ends up contacting me and asking for a meet up.
sometimes nexting is all too easy to say - but if theres no action thus far, what should i do.

i thought, maybe there is an ljbf coming, but i cant be sure - im getting milions of iois and we always get on well.

any ideas on what to do if theres no action at this point? or should i just next?

thx guyz
 
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do everything perfectly as according to the bible
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That's your problem right there, in your head you're following a script of the bible. The bible is a good starting point but it's not fail proof.

This stuff only works, when you do it without realizing it. For example, when you get in your car to drive you go through a set routine without even thinking about it. You get in, put your seat belt on, adjust the rear and side view mirrors. Start the engine, press the brakes in order to shift gears into reverse or drive and then you drive off. That's how this stuff works, and it's called instincts.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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yeh my first date was like that but ive toned things down and its been more natural since then. but what do u guys think is happening... ive got the feeling an ljbf is coming 9which im fully prepared for by declining it)
 
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themann said:
ok guys.. update - been on about 6 or 7 dates with her - action dates/movies/her place/my place/cooking, you name it. lots of kino, lots of rapport building, some push pull and ive toned down the game a bit. furthest we've gone is kissing and it fukking suxx - every time i kiss her, she pulls away after and says 'plz can ya take me home now' so i drive her home. same drill every time we meet.

i was thinking about nexting her, but everytime i go to do that she ends up contacting me and asking for a meet up.
sometimes nexting is all too easy to say - but if theres no action thus far, what should i do.

i thought, maybe there is an ljbf coming, but i cant be sure - im getting milions of iois and we always get on well.

any ideas on what to do if theres no action at this point? or should i just next?

thx guyz
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Don't fully next her. Just stop accepting all of her dates, start turning down a couple and accept one or 2 others. That should throw her off any predictability.

Change the dynamics of the game around a bit, let her initiate the kissing next time, and end one or 2 dates early if nothing is forthcoming, this should make her wonder if she's losing you and hopefully cause her to start making some effort.
 
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