"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm stumped (a little long)

The Comeback Kid

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Recently, I was able to stick to my new gameplan of making moves quickly and seeing how they work out. However, the scenerio I'm in now has me utterly confused. :confused: I have never met a girl like the one I "like" now, and I can't figure her out. More importantly, I don't know the next step.

I've pursued a good number of girls, but the girl I "like" right now seems to be amazing. Besides her looks (HB 8.5), she's very respectful, she has a sense of humor, I can hold a conversation with her, and I can totally be myself around her (plus she does like sports a bit :up:. I have class with her twice a week (two different courses), I began really getting to know her a few weeks ago and I think we click pretty well. Normally, I'd have done something by now (we did exchange numbers), but somehow she is able to catch me off-guard or can outwit me at times.

During class #1, we don't have a chance to talk as much, but we do wind up chatting for a few minutes. During class #2, most of the class knows one another, after class the two of us (plus a couple others) stay around to hang for a little bit. This past week though, I felt like I was being hit by bombs - her tests may be on the way!
Class #1 - This one was just weird. I usually sit near a guy I know from extra-cirriculars, he knows the girl I like too. There is a .1% chance they'd do anything because he may still have a gf, she's far from "easy" and he's going abroad in a couple weeks. The girl came over to our area three times. The first one (I was talking to someone else), he said he'll make pasta at his suite and suggested she comes cuz they won't see each other for 9 months. It's ok that she said yes (again, they won't be dating), but this conversation was a little loud. The second time she comes by, she talks the same guy AND another guy who is gay (not that there's anything wrong with that)...I get 2 words in; it's as if she was trying to ignore me. At this point I'm about throw in the towel - in fact I figured it was already over. Of course, at the end of the class she comes over, sits down, opens with a C+F type joke, and we talk for a few.
Class #2 Today after class, a few of us hung out and talked. The girl and I talk a lot in this class, much more than class #1. Anyways, we were talking tonight and the others were going to head to a bar nearby b/c they're 21. The problem...I'm 20! :cuss: She was laughing and was amused by my schemes to try and get into the bar. We know I don't have much of a chance of sneaking past the strict bouncers and she called me sweetheart (never heard her say that before). I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.

I know that's a lot to digest, but I really can't figure out what's going on. She's not a sunshine girl, she's not a tease, she's no slVt, but now she may be playing games. I get a little kino, she looks at me a lot and smiles (esp. in group conversation), and she laughs even when I tell a bad joke. She is also displaying some good body language, but I'm not great with that. I had asked her to coffee a little before Thanksgiving, but she had some projects and stuff to do (yeah I know not good). Just some questions:
-She seems to get along with a lot of people, so I'd think she'd be willing to hang out with me. Finals are right around the corner (two more classes then finals), meaning there's really no time to do anything. I'd like to suggest to her we keep in touch and hang out once we're back after break...what's your advice?
-Is being called a sweetheart a good or a bad thing?
-There's not much in the way of good parties at my campus, but the bars are nice. Unfortunately, I can't get into bars for another half-a-year (can't get a fake). What's the best way around this?
-Any other thoughts or observations?

I really appreciate any help. I'd ask her out, but I can't ask her out to anything right now b/c break is coming up. I also can't read her especially well. Even if she says LJBF, this is the type of girl I'd rather have in my life as a friend than not at all.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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I didnt read your thread. I just have a tip for you. Don't put (a little long) in your subject. What will happen is, most here will skip over it cause were all lazy and don't want to read.
 

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Dannyrt34 said:
I didnt read your thread. I just have a tip for you. Don't put (a little long) in your subject. What will happen is, most here will skip over it cause were all lazy and don't want to read.
Yeah I know...I'd get a few "whoa this is long" sorta replies though if I don't. I didn't realize its length until after I wrote it and was about to send.
 

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The situation doesn't sound too good to be honest. It was a bit confusing, but I think you said that she agreed to go to the other dudes house??? And if she walked over there 3 times, maybe it was to see him. The "too busy with projects" was a bad blow too, as you know. As far as the teasing she gives you, seems to me that your quickly going in the friend zone. Girls can tease, C+f and kino a dude when they become comfortable with them, aka friend. Sweetheart is a neautral term nowadays, doesn't mean sh!t. If she's 21, and the rest of the group is 21, she'll most likely be going with them which would kill your chances even more. Might have to move on man.
 

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Drewskie said:
The situation doesn't sound too good to be honest. It was a bit confusing, but I think you said that she agreed to go to the other dudes house??? And if she walked over there 3 times, maybe it was to see him. The "too busy with projects" was a bad blow too, as you know. As far as the teasing she gives you, seems to me that your quickly going in the friend zone. Girls can tease, C+f and kino a dude when they become comfortable with them, aka friend. Sweetheart is a neautral term nowadays, doesn't mean sh!t. If she's 21, and the rest of the group is 21, she'll most likely be going with them which would kill your chances even more. Might have to move on man.
That's what my gut says (on the overall feeling), there's a pretty good chance you are correct. Based on past experiences, things usually don't work out in this department, so I always have that fear going in, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it here. Some clarifications though:
-I have a pretty good feeling nothing is going to happen if/when she sees him. She seems like the type of girl that would only "do the nasty" with a guy she's actually dating. They're not dating.
-As for the three visits...(1) He called her over, (2) She came by on her own, and (3) The other guy was nowhere to be found, I was the only one around when she came over to talk.

Yeah the thing before Thanksgiving definitely wasn't good. I wanted to ask her in person, I resorted to texting since several people were around when I was thinking of asking her (I don't think that's huge, esp. if we've never hung out alone outsie of class before). I was asking about the "sweetheart" comment not only b/c she had used it...no one I know ever says that lol. We're not really a "group," we're five people in a class (not the guy we talked about earlier) but I do get what you mean, they are 21 though and I'm peeved that I have a little longer to go. However, there are a lot of other things people can do w/o alcohol at bars (movies, etc.). I do agree that girls are comfortable with guys they are friends with and there's really no pressure, though it doesn't mean they're uncomfortable with guys they "like".
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Dannyrt34 said:
I didnt read your thread. I just have a tip for you. Don't put (a little long) in your subject. What will happen is, most here will skip over it cause were all lazy and don't want to read.
It's like you've read my mind :eek:
 

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The Comeback Kid said:
Finals are right around the corner (two more classes then finals), meaning there's really no time to do anything. I'd like to suggest to her we keep in touch and hang out once we're back after break...what's your advice?
-Is being called a sweetheart a good or a bad thing?
-There's not much in the way of good parties at my campus, but the bars are nice. Unfortunately, I can't get into bars for another half-a-year (can't get a fake). What's the best way around this?
-Any other thoughts or observations?
Ask her if she wants to celebrate that finals are over after finals.

I'd take it as a good thing.

Best way around it is A) Tip him or B) Sneak in. My cousin and his friends are bouncers so I don't have this problem really.
 

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hahaha sneaking by the guards :crackup: I should mention I attend a school on an urban campus and the bars aren't in dark alleys...there's really no way by the guards. One of my ideas, as you said, was to indeed tip him...apparently he would take the $$ and still kick me out. :nono:

The celebrating after finals idea isn't bad. The only problem...after my last final, I'm on my way back home. On the same wavelength though, I will strongly advise to her that we keep in touch during break and then hang out once we're back at school.
 
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