"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm pretty lame you guys

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So anyway, i've known this girl for about four months, i get a call from her and she says horny and wants to me come over. I come over she's taking off her clothes and we start kissing. 30 seconds into she pulls away and says she cant, because im too much of a friend.

My thoughts are this:

She was horny and she's not attracted me, and she didn't think it would matter, but when things started she figured they do.

What're you're thoughts
 

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Maybe she didn't think you were that into it? Did you take charge? If she's kissing and your kind of just sitting there not doing anything she may have felt awkward.

If you kissed here back, started groping her passionately etc I bet she would have soon got in the mood.
 

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martinM. said:
So anyway, i've known this girl for about four months, i get a call from her and she says horny and wants to me come over. I come over she's taking off her clothes and we start kissing. 30 seconds into she pulls away and says she cant, because im too much of a friend.

My thoughts are this:

She was horny and she's not attracted me, and she didn't think it would matter, but when things started she figured they do.

What're you're thoughts
Um..no. She was horny and she was attracted to you, but you were too much of a ***** not to **** her. You stayed in the kissing zone. So, she bailed out, and called you a friend because you can't escalate.
 

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Um..no. She was horny and she was attracted to you, but you were too much of a ***** not to **** her. You stayed in the kissing zone. So, she bailed out, and called you a friend because you can't escalate.
Exactly.
 

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I initiated the kissing, i was rubbing her stomach and legs.

Like i said we kissed for about 30 seconds. 30 seconds seems like too small of a time frame for her to think that i wasn't escalating fast enough. I was going at a speed pretty normal for me.

30 seconds keeps you in the "kissing zone" sharky? That really doesn't sound right.
 

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Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

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martinM. said:
I initiated the kissing, i was rubbing her stomach and legs.

Like i said we kissed for about 30 seconds. 30 seconds seems like too small of a time frame for her to think that i wasn't escalating fast enough. I was going at a speed pretty normal for me.

30 seconds keeps you in the "kissing zone" sharky? That really doesn't sound right.
Depends on the women. I have had a girl who bailed out within five seconds of cuddling because I didn't rip her shirt apart and aggresively **** her. Yeah, I was a nice guy who took things slowly, and she didn't like it. She wanted to be "raped", you see..
 

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30 seconds is not enough kissing before sex. I normally spend 30 going down on a woman and kissing her before I f*** her.

You need to be creative with kissing and foreplay, alternate, go hard, then back off.

OP: You probably should have taken charge and pushed ahead a little bit. You should have moved over towards her and started kissing her neck to get her back in the mood.

This doesn't matter, though, since I really doubt she was very attracted to you.

Problem 1: she called up, said she was horny, and you can running over at the possibility of sex. She controls you with the offer of possible sex.

Problem 2: You've known her for 4 months, and haven't made a move in that time. That is the kind of thing that puts you in the friendzone (depending on how often and how long you see her for.)

You were probably in the friendzone, she was extremely horny, so called you up, but she didn't find you attractive enough to actually go through with it.
 

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I agree with you captain.

With problem 1, i kept putting it off saying i was busy but i would be there. she kept calling me asking me where i was and i kept changing the subject ( i didnt want to run right over) She said "you kept me waiting for a long time martin" when i arrived, she was kind of smiling when she said it.

It's a little strange for me for someone to just say lets have sex, like i lose interest afterwards. I like it to just happen naturally i guess.

But like you said none of it really matters, she's not into me.
 
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martinM. said:
So anyway, i've known this girl for about four months, i get a call from her and she says horny and wants to me come over. I come over she's taking off her clothes and we start kissing. 30 seconds into she pulls away and says she cant, because im too much of a friend.

My thoughts are this:

She was horny and she's not attracted me, and she didn't think it would matter, but when things started she figured they do.

What're you're thoughts

You didn't lead. I've actually had this happen to me a couple times. The first time I did like you "uh, okay. well, uh, oh." and pretty much that was it. The second time I just threw her on the bed, ripped our clothes off, and that was the last I heard of it. PASSION is what you lacked.
 

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risky stuff...sounds like this girl was living in a fantasy, or trying to live a fantasy no Loss of points for you...this girl needs to realize there are alot of things at stake for a guy.

What she did was wrong, ANY guy who was attracted to a girl and got a call for sex would be over at her house in a heartbeat, don't let these silly comments about control make you feel like a chump. Men enjoy sex. She suggestively offered sex. You got there and she toyed with you. You were disrespected. end of story..

For the less intelligent more impulsive, younger guys you will get the BAD advice of ignoring her "NO" answer and proceed to aggressively try and get laid under the foolish guise of "passion" but is the pay off worth the consequences ???

Cross this girl off the list and find a replacement. You did the right thing !!! you never know when a girl will do something shady and get you in trouble.
 

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Drum&Bass said:
For the less intelligent more impulsive, younger guys you will get the BAD advice of ignoring her "NO" answer and proceed to aggressively try and get laid under the foolish guise of "passion" but is the pay off worth the consequences ???

Cross this girl off the list and find a replacement. You did the right thing !!! you never know when a girl will do something shady and get you in trouble.

Yes, she tooled him, but what consequences??? Either he gets laid, or he stands up for himself and totally blows HER out. She either capitulates and they have sex (if that's what she really wanted) or realizes she just had her attempt at tooling him totally backfire in her face.
 

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Sounds like this h0 was just a tease and he didn't do anything wrong. What does the bitsh expect to happen when she invites him over after saying she was horny? She knew what she was doing. Being a typical, young, bratty c0cktease that likes attention.
 

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Being dominant is a really big aphrodisiac for women. Sounds like a last minute **** test if anything. You guys got so far.

I remember this one Louis C.K stand up comedy skit in where he was with this girl and she was like "I like it when guys just pin me down and **** me" to which he replied "Well, if you just told me, I would have gladly done it" and she says "no, it has to feel real and dangerous", funny skit, I'll link it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnXtGINeDK0&NR=1

In anycase, in those types of situations, consider it just LMR, agree with it and plow past it.

-Kevin
 

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Kevin Feng said:
I remember this one Louis C.K stand up comedy skit in where he was with this girl and she was like "I like it when guys just pin me down and **** me" to which he replied "Well, if you just told me, I would have gladly done it" and she says "no, it has to feel real and dangerous", funny skit, I'll link it.
Yeah he's great; I posted that the other day. Funny sh!t.

If she calls you over to have sex with her, then go for it. If she keeps objecting, then you leave. As Kevin said, you should have just agreed with her and then slipped your hand down into her pants. If she responded positively, you know she's down regardless of her friendship comments.
 

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I did lack passion, i wont lie.

But today i feel like i may have dodged a bullet
 
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