She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Whatever makes you feel better. Of course she's a slvt man, are you kidding? You don't think she was boning that other guy too?Viagra4Soul said:She's not a slut - she can't be because I broke my own rule and slept with her, despite her 'protests' (none). And now she's enjoying reminding me of it.
Guilt-free for her.
This is another version of making out in a club, and putting the breaks on first telling her "we should stop". Guess what drives women up the wall more than anything else? Knowing what they can't have. This is all just another version of the same.Viagra4Soul said:I had an interesting interaction on this subject with a new plate on the weekend.
We've got drinks plans laid out, and she's telling me she's dropping one of her plates to meet me (!) She tells me he's just after sex now, she knows it, so as long as I'm not after the same - drinks would be great. Of course, I tell her I NEVER operate like that. Anyone who trys to get sex on the first date, I tell her, is insane. It is automatic SUICIDE for a new relationship and guys who try this are crazy - that's my rule, I say. She heartily agrees and tells me I'm the first guy she has ever heard come out and say that. Plans are finalised.....
We meet at 8pm, the bar closed at 11pm, by 11.30 she is deep throating me on her balcony (totally her initiation), bedroom for the rest, fall asleep, more, beat a hasty retreat at 8am. Texting me now non-stop for a repeat performance. She has mentioned about 15 god-damn times since that she's "sorry we broke my rule - but that it's all my fault <smile>".
She's not a slut - she can't be because I broke my own rule and slept with her, despite her 'protests' (none). And now she's enjoying reminding me of it.
Guilt-free for her.
Actions..... not words.
I think he was being rhetorical. Of course she's a slut, she put out with ease, but she had to backwards rationalize she's not because HE was the one who broke the rule, not her.Buddha_Mind said:Whatever makes you feel better. Of course she's a slvt man, are you kidding? You don't think she was boning that other guy too?
Clearly these verbal talks of sex are just worthless and actions speak for themselves. But c'mon man, don't fool yourself either.
Bingo.Nutz said:I think he was being rhetorical. Of course she's a slut, she put out with ease, but she had to backwards rationalize she's not because HE was the one who broke the rule, not her.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Women are fvcking crazy.Nutz said:I think he was being rhetorical. Of course she's a slut, she put out with ease, but she had to backwards rationalize she's not because HE was the one who broke the rule, not her.
Do this.Buddha_Mind said:What would you all say / do to move through a sh!t test such as this?
You know, along with the threesome thread here today, my feelings of female-success today are very low!!!!!!vatoloco said:
Maybe, but once you know the signs and signals it's like shooting fish in a barrell. :rockon:Buddha_Mind said:Women are fvcking crazy.
PS -- props to you on this brother, you saw through the verbage to the truth. +1 to you for keeping your head on straight and not letting her throw you off-kilter.Viagra4Soul said:I had an interesting interaction on this subject with a new plate on the weekend.
We've got drinks plans laid out, and she's telling me she's dropping one of her plates to meet me (!) She tells me he's just after sex now, she knows it, so as long as I'm not after the same - drinks would be great. Of course, I tell her I NEVER operate like that. Anyone who trys to get sex on the first date, I tell her, is insane. It is automatic SUICIDE for a new relationship and guys who try this are crazy - that's my rule, I say. She heartily agrees and tells me I'm the first guy she has ever heard come out and say that. Plans are finalised.....
We meet at 8pm, the bar closed at 11pm, by 11.30 she is deep throating me on her balcony (totally her initiation), bedroom for the rest, fall asleep, more, beat a hasty retreat at 8am. Texting me now non-stop for a repeat performance. She has mentioned about 15 god-damn times since that she's "sorry we broke my rule - but that it's all my fault <smile>".
She's not a slut - she can't be because I broke my own rule and slept with her, despite her 'protests' (none). And now she's enjoying reminding me of it.
Guilt-free for her.
Actions..... not words.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Even through I still blow it at times, I know I have been making some great progress and am doing certain things 1000x better.Slickster said:Maybe, but once you know the signs and signals it's like shooting fish in a barrell. :rockon:
yeah, i've heard it all....Jitterbug said:2. Girls will always make a for-the-record statement of the "I'm not a slvt" kind prior to sleeping with you on the same night. The only thing you need to do is to acknowledge it, but do not dwell on it. Something like "yeah of course" or "that's cool" is more than enough, then change the topic (back to turning her on).
THIS.Iceberg said:Those are nice alternatives, but really, it doesn't even have to go down the clever path. I just nod, say "Sure, I wasn't even thinking about it." and move onto another topic.
If this girl really wants to pretend that we're not going to have sex while we're both alone and at her house at 3am, then I'll play along with the illusion.
I interpret this type of situation as a girl wanting to convince herself that she was "seduced" into sex, as opposed to overtly desiring it. So, once the "Not having sex" line has been thrown at me, I find that it's best to skip to other topics to let the girl keep her illusion. Hell, once you've made it to this point, the sale has been made and it's not about talk anymore. Might as well keep my mouth shut and just let it happen.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Nice, work bro. Great job!Viagra4Soul said:I had an interesting interaction on this subject with a new plate on the weekend.
We've got drinks plans laid out, and she's telling me she's dropping one of her plates to meet me (!) She tells me he's just after sex now, she knows it, so as long as I'm not after the same - drinks would be great. Of course, I tell her I NEVER operate like that. Anyone who trys to get sex on the first date, I tell her, is insane. It is automatic SUICIDE for a new relationship and guys who try this are crazy - that's my rule, I say. She heartily agrees and tells me I'm the first guy she has ever heard come out and say that. Plans are finalised.....
We meet at 8pm, the bar closed at 11pm, by 11.30 she is deep throating me on her balcony (totally her initiation), bedroom for the rest, fall asleep, more, beat a hasty retreat at 8am. Texting me now non-stop for a repeat performance. She has mentioned about 15 god-damn times since that she's "sorry we broke my rule - but that it's all my fault <smile>".
She's not a slut - she can't be because I broke my own rule and slept with her, despite her 'protests' (none). And now she's enjoying reminding me of it.
Guilt-free for her.
Actions..... not words.
The important thing, my friend, is that you now saw your mistake and learned from it.Buddha_Mind said:Been kicking myself in the @ss about blowing the opportunity a few weeks ago.
Sorry for delay - been overseas.mark123 said:Nice, work bro. Great job!
Question -- how did you end up at her place after the bars closed? Did you have to force it, or she brought it up?
Okay, okay rub it in my face, eh?disgustipated said:Add another one to the list.
Last weekend, 2nd date with this one. She tells me TWICE during the night "I'm not ****ing you tonight!". Her body language definitely said otherwise.
1st time: I know.
2nd time: Yeah okay. I don't do that **** on the first date.
Her: It's our second date! (kinda madface.jpg cuz I didn't remember it's our 2nd date...subtle neg?)
Me: I don't do that on 2nd dates either.
Cut to later, she's blowing me on her couch then pounding it a little later.
She was not all that, nor was my performance lols but the whole "we're not ****ing" is like a a dude on a tarmac waving an airplane in to land. As long as you don't respond incorrectly.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.