"I'm mad as he11 and I can't take it anymore!"

[Mr. Goods]

This site has really helped me out when dealing with girls. The DJ Bible has taught me a lot of new things. Many of the posts and the advice I receive have improved my game as well. My confidence with approaching girls has surely improved.

Despite the improvements, I have not seen much in the way of success. Obviously my game is far from perfect, but I feel something should have worked by now. My friends - hardly the ones to sugarcoat things and who have seen me in action - have said, "What you have had to endure with girls and their behavior is not normal." "I didn't think a girl would do that, but that's really f***ed up" and, "You are the unluckiest guy I have ever met." I go into every approach confident that I can get the girl. But rejection after rejection, many of which are unnecessarily harsh, it's begun to eat away at me. Every time my hopes are up, they come crashing back down.

Here are some instances of what I mean, taken from the past 1-2 years (sorry if it's a little long):
- In 2010, I have been on two first dates. Both girls might have been interested in things other than me. The first girl thought going for drinks was something "just friends" do. The second girl thought going on a date with me would impress my friend, who has a gf he will not cheat on. I have read that it takes, "half a brain" to get a second date. My friend's gf's have even said that a girl will most often give a guy 2-3 dates at the very least. Clearly, that doesn't help my confidence, especially when FR's posted here suggest I made no glaring mistakes.
-I made out with two other girls this year at a party. Too bad my friends paid each of them $10 to do it and didn't tell me until afterwards. One of my friends is an alcoholic who embarrasses himself when drunk, another friend has a Santa beard and is overweight, and another friend I have never seen talk to a girl...yet they have had more success than me, and they don't really know how to game.
-Last year, I invited two girls I know to a party (family friends who I had caught up with a month earlier, but only see once every couple of years). One of the girls wanted to go to sleep at the party, never a wise decision. It was loud, a few friends and I were near her room maybe a little loud b/c we were buzzed. She opens the door, berates me in front of my friends, and then leaves at 5am. She hasn't spoken to me since.
-Last year, a girl I had liked turned me down. Fine...she flaked on me twice with bad excuses, so be it. Last week, she messages me on Facebook wanting to hang out. Through one of my good friends, I learned that she and her guy friend wrote the note as a joke, trying to make fun at my expense.
-Another girl (from my college) and I began talking back-and-forth on Facebook. I cut to the chase and asked her out. She was going on vacation that week, but she said that sounds great and she'd let me know more when she's back. Since she's been back...she's deleted or ignored any initiation I've tried. The two deleted wall posts were the scandalous, "Hey how was Europe?" and, "Happy Birthday." The actual plan for a date - which I messaged her - went unreplied.
-I have had date plans or meeting a girl through a mutual friend cancelled due to the girl/mutual friend's power outage, a car accident, wisdom teeth being pulled out and a cell phone that died (all of these were surprisingly true). When I tried to make plans with the girls a few days later, the iron wasn't hot anymore and nothing came of it.
-A girl I was not romantically interested in and I got along well in a class we were in. Towards the end of the year, we had a Senior event where we all went to a casino. Her and I were texting...until I brought up how we should meet up there for a little gambling. She stopped responding and I never say her after that.

I know the examples I posted are excessive, but I wanted to provide a clear picture of what's been going on. I am not physically unattractive; no Brad Pitt, but I am in terrific, athletic physical shape. I am responsible and try to be considerate to all. I am talkative with wit/humor and can easily break the ice with people (helps to be somewhat intelligent/worldly lol).
-My friends are also aware of my troubles years before, such as two girls making their rejecting me a show for the school and some girls saying they'd prefer to skip Prom than go with me.

Regardless, I cannot explain all of the hostility. A girl can just turn me down and say no, I'm not interested...but they choose to either ignore me to no end or make a spectacle out of the whole thing. I can understand if I was being an a**h0le all the time, but I'm probably closer to being nice than being a jerk (though I never take sh*t from anyone). Lately, I have had trouble finding a genuine girl who is also interested. Also, I don't have any girls who I'm friends with or ones who initiate anything with me these days.

Apologies for the length of this post, but I wanted to get my frustrations out. I have been studying the "game" and know some of the things I'm trying are the right things to do, but absolutely nothing has worked lately. Everyone (even AFC's or people who don't know anything about gaming) gets lucky with girls at some point, but I've yet to find that luck. What do you make of this? Why might girls go through such extents to try and put me down? It seems all these girls see me as some sort of ego boost.

 

[moneyisking]

funny we are in the same boat. I think I have done quite work to solve this female problem but despite the effort, I still haven't got any success. Despite all the trouble, I still don't know wtf I am doing when I talk to women and I still feel weird, inconfident deep inside. Hew... I don't know wtf is our problem my man. Maybe improving looks may help? People says looks don't matter but that's bull shyt. It matters to certain extent. I think the best game I had was with this hot hot blond girl and my friends were awed at least that time by the way I spat my game at her; I also remember it was the time when I felt very good about my looks. IDK, lets keep trying, one day we will get through and be able to talk to girls and score like nothing.

 

[Strelok]

Not a professional DJ here so no intention to give you any sure suggestion but it seems that two two cvnts that made fun of you at school ruined your social image and we all know how social proof is more important than your niceness or honesty when it comes to girls.

About those other cvnts who treated you as trash well,nothing you can do about it except ruin their clothes with beer when you see them,it won't help you getting laid but probably they will re-evaluate they way they interact with people since they suffer some conseguences.
(Don't do that).

 

[kingsam]

you are clearly doing some thing(s) very wrong, people dont normally hate that much

1 - girls arnt generally that horrible
2 - im wondering do you talk about game to other people? lots of people think pick up is wierd, and judge you badly for it
3- you should post a pic, coz you say you are in good shape... prove it! and im curious
4- maybe you have some really bad/awkward/creepy socail skills, that other feel but you dont see

TBH these issues may never get sorted over a forum if you have no idea what you are doing wrong (but prob could be sorted out in a quick time In-person by some one else)
if i had to bet ...
- you seek aproval (DLV) in body lang. and voice
- you sound still too nice
- you dont show 'intent' (ie "im a strong masculine sexual man")
- your tonality prob sucks

how old are you , how often do you do night game (coz its easy and your confidence in that can diffuse into other games (day etc...))

i could go on but will leave it at that

 

[Mr. Goods]

you are clearly doing some thing(s) very wrong, people dont normally hate that much

1 - girls arnt generally that horrible
2 - im wondering do you talk about game to other people? lots of people think pick up is wierd, and judge you badly for it
3- you should post a pic, coz you say you are in good shape... prove it! and im curious
4- maybe you have some really bad/awkward/creepy socail skills, that other feel but you dont see

TBH these issues may never get sorted over a forum if you have no idea what you are doing wrong (but prob could be sorted out in a quick time In-person by some one else)
if i had to bet ...
- you seek aproval (DLV) in body lang. and voice
- you sound still too nice
- you dont show 'intent' (ie "im a strong masculine sexual man")
- your tonality prob sucks

how old are you , how often do you do night game (coz its easy and your confidence in that can diffuse into other games (day etc...))

i could go on but will leave it at that

Some good points Kingsam.

- You're right; people don't normally hate that much. However, I'm not being being a d*****bag. I know girls aren't that horrible, but I don't know what would induce such harsh negative feelings.
- I do not discuss the game with others.
- I just got a new computer, I could PM you a picture once I upload one that shows my frame (I don't take many pictures). I'm 5-7, 160lbs, 43-44 chest/32 waist (if that helps).
- Point #4 is possible, for the reason that I don't see them. My friends would tell me if I was acting weird, and they haven't done that. At the same time, there could always be something in there that girls don't like. Again though, I don't see that inducing hatred.
- Some of your "bets" could be correct, but then again I really don't know. It's something I will pay attention to and improve on. The masculine sexual intent line I know you referenced before and it's a good point. It will definitely help. Some of my friends definitely don't have this, and they've gotten lucky a couple of times though.
-I am 22. I end up day gaming more than night game due to the opportunities. I don't go clubbing at the bars all the time, but usually go 1-2 times a week. Most of the successes with girls would come at parties, which occur somewhat often.

I can understand if a girl isn't interested. What I cannot understand are reasons for these occasions of hostility.

 

[JerryFl08]

it seems unfortunate of what's going on.. Like previously stated there must be something you're doing that giving off a bad vibe because people in general arent as cruel like how you had mentioned em..I'm sure it may be hard but don't let it get it you because i'm sure people will notice that your bothered through your body language.

Also you should post a picture i'm curious also to see how you look because your 22, 5-7 and 160lbs...i'm 5-9 184 lbs and i'm only 17 well i'll be 18 in about 3 weeks..idk just find it kind of strange, not in an offensive way.

 

[kingsam]

put a picture up for a start, or send me one if u dont wanna show every one

 

[Joser590]

Man this does sound like a tough break. Hopefully you do not dwell on those chicks from HS or the prom because people like that are just not worth it.

As KingSam stated, maybe you need to evaluate your social skills. Perhaps you are just "rubbing people the wrong way." I remember when I first turned twenty one and always thinking to myself that I had awesome people skills. I look back now and cannot believe some of the things I said or did.

You also stated that you have no female friends, which could be a problem. I am not a sociologist, so I can't tell you why, but for some reason women love it when you have social proof. Female friends allow you to accomplish this and will also provide numerous positive factors for you.

 

[Gamer]

If the rejections are getting too much to handle, and it sounds like it is, then perhaps it's a good idea to take a break from pick up.

A few good things to do in the mean time would be:

Found a new hobby. a) you learn something new, b) you might meet more new friends (sorry but the lot you currently hang out with really don't reflect well on you)

Hit the gym religiously. I found that when you challenge yourself to do more at the gym it take my mind of things. And as a bonus as you improve the way you look too.

Read some new books

I suppose all these are about working on you and your inner game. Who knows you might even meet someone nice thru one of these activities. Even if not, I guarantee you at the end of the month you'd feel better about yourself massively, and it'll show! People might view you differently then.

 

[ThreeStorms]

some random guesses:

- you always hit on the same kind of girl, but you are the opposite kind of guy (like slutty-nerdy)

- you always hit on the outgoing girls that laugh a lot and wear sexy clothes, heavy makeup etc. (like most guys will do). But these girls have endless options.

My suggestion is to look for the ones that keep themselves in the background, are a bit shy, little makeup etc. They will be very happy when you start a conversation. Lots of these girls are very cute (in looks and personality), but they don't show it aggressively. They are definitly easier to impress.

 

[Mr. Goods]

I have been tied up the past few days, but thanks for the continuing insight. The points being made here are things I will really take into consideration the next time I am in a situation with girls. A couple of other thoughts came to mind:

- One of my roommates during college was a good, nice guy. However, he is probably the most socially awkward guy I have ever met. I've seen him in action, and he can definitely use this site lol. Anyway, girls don't hate him. Girls are not mean to him. No girls delete wall posts or pretend to want to hang out with him. I know my social skills aren't perfect, but my roommate was a social mess and didn't receive any hate.

- One other thing I was looking at was luck. I mentioned this extensively in the OP, but I have some friends with very little game. Yet, they get lucky every once in a while, whether its a drunk hookup, a rebound, or the stars align for them that night (they also feel this entitles them to giving advice despite their lack of game). Having good game really helps, but some luck has to be involved too. I don't feel the luck is really there.

-To end this post on a bright-ish note, I might be meeting a girl through a friend tomorrow. While we are planning to go out tomorrow night, there was an off-chance we'd get some food beforehand. Because luck is rarely on my side, my mom decided to make a special family dinner for the first time in weeks for tomorrow. I will go out afterwards, but the dinner possibility (not a date lol...probably a small group if it happened) is out of the equation.

 

[Igetit!]

This site has really helped me out when dealing with girls. The DJ Bible has taught me a lot of new things.

It's really odd that you start off a "I'm mad as hell...." thread by saying how the forum has really helped you out with girls and how you've learned so many new things,then after saying that,you go on to give example after example of dating disasters and screw ups.


You'd think that with everything you've learned,you be giving examples of how you applied those things instead.

My friends - hardly the ones to sugarcoat things and who have seen me in action - have said, "What you have had to endure with girls and their behavior is not normal." "I didn't think a girl would do that, but that's really f***ed up" and, "You are the unluckiest guy I have ever met."

Your friends are right-this isn't normal.

From what I've read,it seems like these are either girls that you already know and have some aquaintance with,or girls who YOU APPROACHED in a wrong way.



I don't know what it is you want with a girl,if it's just to have sex with her a few times,then send her own her way,or if you want a relationship,but the end is usually already present in the beginning.

for example.....

- In 2010, I have been on two first dates. Both girls might have been interested in things other than me. The first girl thought going for drinks was something "just friends" do.

If you took this girl out to get drinks and she thought it was just something that "friends" do,then YOU didn't make your intentions clear from the getgo.

If she had CLEARLY KNOWN that you were asking for a date,then she would have either accepted your invitation right then and there,or just rejected you on the spot.

The second girl thought going on a date with me would impress my friend, who has a gf he will not cheat on.

So she used you to try and influence someone else. Well nothing new there,women are notorious for doing things like that,however,she shouldn't have been able to do that with YOU.


A clueless AFC,yeah,but a member of this board who knows and has learned as much as you say you have? No.

-I made out with two other girls this year at a party. Too bad my friends paid each of them $10 to do it and didn't tell me until afterwards.

What I'd like to know is,before you foundt out that these girls made out with you because they were paid to so,WHY did you think they were making out with you?

What reason did you think you were making out with them?


Because of your "game" or being a decent looking guy? What did you think the reason was?

-Last year, a girl I had liked turned me down. Fine...she flaked on me twice with bad excuses, so be it. Last week, she messages me on Facebook wanting to hang out. Through one of my good friends, I learned that she and her guy friend wrote the note as a joke, trying to make fun at my expense.

I actually saw this thread when you first made it. I tried to reply,but in the middle of typing my response,the forum closed on me for maintenance.

But like I said before,it seems like these are girls who you either already know,or or who you approached wrong.


If it's some girl you already know and have known for a while,and she suddenly seems to have some sort of interest in you all out of the blue,you should be suspect.


You should already know better. If a girl already has 50 guys chasing after her,then why would she suddenly call you claiming to be interested,especially if the whole reason things didn't work out before between you two was because of her?

If it had been a few days,maybe even 2 or 3 weeks,then that's one thing,but you said that you hadn't heard from this girl in almost a year.

-A girl I was not romantically interested in and I got along well in a class we were in. Towards the end of the year, we had a Senior event where we all went to a casino. Her and I were texting...until I brought up how we should meet up there for a little gambling. She stopped responding and I never say her after that.

Well this normal. It's what normally happens when you try to date someone you've been friends with you a long peroid of time.

-My friends are also aware of my troubles years before, such as two girls making their rejecting me a show for the school and some girls saying they'd prefer to skip Prom than go with me.

Again,these are girls you ALREADY KNOW.

I'd like to see if you'd get a similiar response during an approach in which the girl is totally new,you've never seen or heard of her,and she's never seen or heard of you,and the only history you two have was STARTED at the approach.

What do you make of this? Why might girls go through such extents to try and put me down? It seems all these girls see me as some sort of ego boost.

You have somewhat of a negative rep among your peers. As for what caused it,I don't know,but I do know this....


you need to branch out. STOP trying to date girls you already know,or who know you through your "friends".


EVERYBODY doesn't know you. So go somewhere where you aren't known and approach a girl.

 

[Joser590]

I have been tied up the past few days, but thanks for the continuing insight. The points being made here are things I will really take into consideration the next time I am in a situation with girls. A couple of other thoughts came to mind:

- One of my roommates during college was a good, nice guy. However, he is probably the most socially awkward guy I have ever met. I've seen him in action, and he can definitely use this site lol. Anyway, girls don't hate him. Girls are not mean to him. No girls delete wall posts or pretend to want to hang out with him. I know my social skills aren't perfect, but my roommate was a social mess and didn't receive any hate.

- One other thing I was looking at was luck. I mentioned this extensively in the OP, but I have some friends with very little game. Yet, they get lucky every once in a while, whether its a drunk hookup, a rebound, or the stars align for them that night (they also feel this entitles them to giving advice despite their lack of game). Having good game really helps, but some luck has to be involved too. I don't feel the luck is really there.

-To end this post on a bright-ish note, I might be meeting a girl through a friend tomorrow. While we are planning to go out tomorrow night, there was an off-chance we'd get some food beforehand. Because luck is rarely on my side, my mom decided to make a special family dinner for the first time in weeks for tomorrow. I will go out afterwards, but the dinner possibility (not a date lol...probably a small group if it happened) is out of the equation.

Let us know how it goes and good luck

 

[CarlitosWay]

It's really odd that you start off a "I'm mad as hell...." thread by saying how the forum has really helped you out with girls and how you've learned so many new things,then after saying that,you go on to give example after example of dating disasters and screw ups.


You'd think that with everything you've learned,you be giving examples of how you applied those things instead.


Your friends are right-this isn't normal.

From what I've read,it seems like these are either girls that you already know and have some aquaintance with,or girls who YOU APPROACHED in a wrong way.



I don't know what it is you want with a girl,if it's just to have sex with her a few times,then send her own her way,or if you want a relationship,but the end is usually already present in the beginning.

for example.....




If you took this girl out to get drinks and she thought it was just something that "friends" do,then YOU didn't make your intentions clear from the getgo.

If she had CLEARLY KNOWN that you were asking for a date,then she would have either accepted your invitation right then and there,or just rejected you on the spot.




So she used you to try and influence someone else. Well nothing new there,women are notorious for doing things like that,however,she shouldn't have been able to do that with YOU.


A clueless AFC,yeah,but a member of this board who knows and has learned as much as you say you have? No.



What I'd like to know is,before you foundt out that these girls made out with you because they were paid to so,WHY did you think they were making out with you?

What reason did you think you were making out with them?


Because of your "game" or being a decent looking guy? What did you think the reason was?




I actually saw this thread when you first made it. I tried to reply,but in the middle of typing my response,the forum closed on me for maintenance.

But like I said before,it seems like these are girls who you either already know,or or who you approached wrong.


If it's some girl you already know and have known for a while,and she suddenly seems to have some sort of interest in you all out of the blue,you should be suspect.


You should already know better. If a girl already has 50 guys chasing after her,then why would she suddenly call you claiming to be interested,especially if the whole reason things didn't work out before between you two was because of her?

If it had been a few days,maybe even 2 or 3 weeks,then that's one thing,but you said that you hadn't heard from this girl in almost a year.


Well this normal. It's what normally happens when you try to date someone you've been friends with you a long peroid of time.



Again,these are girls you ALREADY KNOW.

I'd like to see if you'd get a similiar response during an approach in which the girl is totally new,you've never seen or heard of her,and she's never seen or heard of you,and the only history you two have was STARTED at the approach.



You have somewhat of a negative rep among your peers. As for what caused it,I don't know,but I do know this....


you need to branch out. STOP trying to date girls you already know,or who know you through your "friends".


EVERYBODY doesn't know you. So go somewhere where you aren't known and approach a girl.

Please listen to this man, especially the part about meeting new girls and getting out of your social circle. Cause it seems your image is a bit ****ed up in the eyes of some. Find a new gal or two, have fun and brush that hate off your shoulders. Come out the bigger man, you can kick yourself all day, yet you have to just one day say **** it, **** all them ass holes, they're not going to affect me like this anymore.

 

[RMM]

Please listen to this man, especially the part about meeting new girls and getting out of your social circle. Cause it seems your image is a bit ****ed up in the eyes of some. Find a new gal or two, have fun and brush that hate off your shoulders. Come out the bigger man, you can kick yourself all day, yet you have to just one day say **** it, **** all them ass holes, they're not going to affect me like this anymore.

Or to put it another way...

You need a control study if you are to determine what the problem is - initial approach, follow-up, bad rep with the people around you, or anything else. And for that, you need new girls.

In fact, it'd be best to try new girls in different situations, so that you can also determine if it's the kind of girl you go after. If you try new kinds you can plot how your efforts went and evaluate another variable.

 

[Mr. Goods]

Very valuable and insightful Igetit! Just a few thoughts regarding your post:

- My thread title alludes to a famous movie line. I am frustrated by some of the actions by girls, but some of the advice on these boards are great things to keep in mind.
- I joined this board rather recently, so the majority of the experiences (including the first of the two dates I posted about in this thread) I described happened before I was here...my AFC days. That's why you see all the screw-ups.
- The girls from these examples I knew for a little while (a few weeks?), but not several months or years. I often try to get dates in hopes of a relationship.
-With the first date I mentioned, I had met the girl a couple weeks earlier at a party. However, due to a busy schedule, the next time I spoke with her was two weeks later, when I set up the date (or what I thought was a date). I didn't know I needed to explain how a one-on-one for drinks is a date and not just a friends thing.
-The girls I made out with at the party...it was a Mardi Gras party. If you don't know, guys give girls beads for flashing their breasts. On this night, I was stingy with my beads. I wouldn't give them away if the girl asked for them; they needed to do something. The two girls I made out with were competing for most beads (the winner got a prize). Therefore, the money issue never came to mind. I thought it was the beads, I'm not bad looking, everyone was tipsy or drunk, and my game wasn't bad that night.
-From the thread you had tried replying to...that whole situation was fishy. I thought something was up. My friend thought something was up. We found out that something WAS up. I didn't think she was amusing her self WITH A GUY FRIEND there and they were trying to create laughs. If I had played it through, I wouldn't have gone to see her; I was going to meet with my friend, she would have to come and find me. I had nothing to lose.
-I wouldn't say I had been friends with ANY of these girls. I didn't know these girls for months and then make a move. While it wasn't immediate, I didn't wait a long time either.

Your last point is great though. Branching out and finding girls I don't know through friends or have any possible connection with prior may be the answer. Right now, I'm trapped in my hometown, so that could be tricky. I wrote a post a few weeks ago about how I am practically doomed with girls from my hometown. Once I move from here when I have a solidified first job, then I will have this chance. At college is where my transformation (physically, confidence, etc.) too place, so some girls may still see me as a scrawny, not-as-confident guy. Then again, I know people who are beyond skinny, obese, lack social skills or any drive to advance their lives, and their reps are not bad.

As I wrote in a response earlier, I can understand if girls decline a guy in a respectable manner due to an assortment of reasons. However, I do not understand why girls act in such a hostile manner in many of my encounters.

RMM - Interesting take, I could try that out. Joser590 - Plans fell through. In the OP, I wrote about how I also tend to get unlucky. Well, this girl got caught in a two-hour long traffic jam due to a multi-car accident and turned around to go home.

 

[jonwon]

This site has really helped me out when dealing with girls. The DJ Bible has taught me a lot of new things. Many of the posts and the advice I receive have improved my game as well. My confidence with approaching girls has surely improved.

Despite the improvements, I have not seen much in the way of success. Obviously my game is far from perfect, but I feel something should have worked by now. My friends - hardly the ones to sugarcoat things and who have seen me in action - have said, "What you have had to endure with girls and their behavior is not normal." "I didn't think a girl would do that, but that's really f***ed up" and, "You are the unluckiest guy I have ever met." I go into every approach confident that I can get the girl. But rejection after rejection, many of which are unnecessarily harsh, it's begun to eat away at me. Every time my hopes are up, they come crashing back down.

Here are some instances of what I mean, taken from the past 1-2 years (sorry if it's a little long):
- In 2010, I have been on two first dates. Both girls might have been interested in things other than me. The first girl thought going for drinks was something "just friends" do. The second girl thought going on a date with me would impress my friend, who has a gf he will not cheat on. I have read that it takes, "half a brain" to get a second date. My friend's gf's have even said that a girl will most often give a guy 2-3 dates at the very least. Clearly, that doesn't help my confidence, especially when FR's posted here suggest I made no glaring mistakes.
-I made out with two other girls this year at a party. Too bad my friends paid each of them $10 to do it and didn't tell me until afterwards. One of my friends is an alcoholic who embarrasses himself when drunk, another friend has a Santa beard and is overweight, and another friend I have never seen talk to a girl...yet they have had more success than me, and they don't really know how to game.
-Last year, I invited two girls I know to a party (family friends who I had caught up with a month earlier, but only see once every couple of years). One of the girls wanted to go to sleep at the party, never a wise decision. It was loud, a few friends and I were near her room maybe a little loud b/c we were buzzed. She opens the door, berates me in front of my friends, and then leaves at 5am. She hasn't spoken to me since.
-Last year, a girl I had liked turned me down. Fine...she flaked on me twice with bad excuses, so be it. Last week, she messages me on Facebook wanting to hang out. Through one of my good friends, I learned that she and her guy friend wrote the note as a joke, trying to make fun at my expense.
-Another girl (from my college) and I began talking back-and-forth on Facebook. I cut to the chase and asked her out. She was going on vacation that week, but she said that sounds great and she'd let me know more when she's back. Since she's been back...she's deleted or ignored any initiation I've tried. The two deleted wall posts were the scandalous, "Hey how was Europe?" and, "Happy Birthday." The actual plan for a date - which I messaged her - went unreplied.
-I have had date plans or meeting a girl through a mutual friend cancelled due to the girl/mutual friend's power outage, a car accident, wisdom teeth being pulled out and a cell phone that died (all of these were surprisingly true). When I tried to make plans with the girls a few days later, the iron wasn't hot anymore and nothing came of it.
-A girl I was not romantically interested in and I got along well in a class we were in. Towards the end of the year, we had a Senior event where we all went to a casino. Her and I were texting...until I brought up how we should meet up there for a little gambling. She stopped responding and I never say her after that.

I know the examples I posted are excessive, but I wanted to provide a clear picture of what's been going on. I am not physically unattractive; no Brad Pitt, but I am in terrific, athletic physical shape. I am responsible and try to be considerate to all. I am talkative with wit/humor and can easily break the ice with people (helps to be somewhat intelligent/worldly lol).
-My friends are also aware of my troubles years before, such as two girls making their rejecting me a show for the school and some girls saying they'd prefer to skip Prom than go with me.

Regardless, I cannot explain all of the hostility. A girl can just turn me down and say no, I'm not interested...but they choose to either ignore me to no end or make a spectacle out of the whole thing. I can understand if I was being an a**h0le all the time, but I'm probably closer to being nice than being a jerk (though I never take sh*t from anyone). Lately, I have had trouble finding a genuine girl who is also interested. Also, I don't have any girls who I'm friends with or ones who initiate anything with me these days.

Apologies for the length of this post, but I wanted to get my frustrations out. I have been studying the "game" and know some of the things I'm trying are the right things to do, but absolutely nothing has worked lately. Everyone (even AFC's or people who don't know anything about gaming) gets lucky with girls at some point, but I've yet to find that luck. What do you make of this? Why might girls go through such extents to try and put me down? It seems all these girls see me as some sort of ego boost.

Some things here:

It's a numbers game remember that, but even so you've had some shi*tty rejections, but saying that I have too and I know a mate of mine who is succesful has also.

Now one thing that I do wonder about, is your image/style - how do you present yourself - do you look like the skinny geek with lumberjack shirts and thick rimmed glasses, or have you styled yourself up and created a guy who looks the shi*.?

Also a common demominator seems to be girls from college or in your monkey sphere, maybe these girls have had a bad impression of you given from other women - just a possibility, if that is so, that is a an up-hill struggle, all it takes is one biatch to tarnish your name and women, like sheep will act accordingly, this is the other-side of pre-selection, so to counter that is to meet girls that are out of that socio-group, hence to improve the pre-selection is to be seen with other girls and bring them into the group, to change he hind-brain thinking of females in that original group i.e college girls at a party. If it is known to girls in your socio group that your friends have to put money up just to get you a kiss, than that negitive stigma will not be good, after all to women you'll secretly be 'that guy who women won't kiss unless paid for' - hence move out of the group, start afresh.

 

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Now one thing that I do wonder about, is your image/style - how do you present yourself - do you look like the skinny geek with lumberjack shirts and thick rimmed glasses, or have you styled yourself up and created a guy who looks the shi*.?

mr goods post an imange of yourself