"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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im in a trap, get me out yo!

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haha met this girl through a good friend of mine.. we started talkin and got a good connectiong through.. we ended up talking every night.. only at night pretty much..

im stupid enough to talk for an hour dunno why,

its just when i meet a girl that i really like and she fits my standards.. I get obbessed with her.. not in a stalking way just i think about her alot and i tend to talk to her alot on the phone thats it..

so i wanna make htis happen but im a lil worried that i might throw this in the wrong dirtection.

we chilled once but it was in a group thing and i didnt pay any attention to her so she didnt either, just the hi and stuff thats about it
she has high interest level i know that

she asked be a few times to chill out but im aware of the 50/50 rule.. only accept half so i accept to chill with her at a social when one of my friends and 5 of her...so i was the only boy there in the group)

i try to get a date but she works way to ****ing much.. we were supose to chill out today(sunday) but she had a fight with her family so i just talked to her, ensured her for about an hour then at the end she was laughin and was in a better mood..

only reason im doing this is because All igot was good signs.

NO mind games Yet,

she only calls once and leaves a message.. doesnt call me 5 times a day... two the max a day but mostly once..

i asked around and i didnt find anything slutty about her...

shes nice and has respect

but im fully aware that these things could change and i'll already be on my way with another girl but this one is different.. first time in a LOng time where i met a girl who doesnt play any mind games...ie: tryin to get ur attention.

and even i obbserve how she acts and talks on the phone.. she doesnt only talk about herself like the average AW would be.. she enjoys talkin aobut me and asks how my day **** like that..

so i hope you guys understand that the only reason im proceeding this is and am a lil obessed is that I like what I see

so do you guys have tips that i should follow.. im tryin to cut down the every ngiht talking to every second day.. .and see how that works..
her interest level is high though i know that but im feeling that its slipping :( maybe im becomin her gf...

so what you guys have in mind? i need to get back into the right direction

she works mostly everyday but friday is off.. imma ask her if she wants to come out on friday

shes also two years older than me so that was hard enough to get through her..
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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A lot of the folks on this forum post replies with the assumption that all girls are the basically the same. This is wrong.

From what you're saying, you found a smart, sensitive girl who won't overload you with attention, but instead will keep you on her leash because she can. How is the girl in the looks department? My guess is she's somewhat pretty cause it sounds like she has a lot of self-confidence.

I'm in a LTR with a girl just like the one you're describing. This is the BEST kind of girl to date. She'll always keep things fresh, she'll never flake because of herself (shes confident), but because of you (so you know when you've screwed up). She won't spend every night talking about what she did that day; instead she'll want to keep things new and fun.

While this is the best relationship to have with a girl, it's the hardest to keep. You must always be on the ball. Give her only so much attention. If you become the feminine in the relationship (lazy, needy, and non-risk taking), she'll become turned off immediately.

Keep yourself spontaneous and sweet. There's plenty of ways to remain charming and loving to a woman without spending all your time with her. Avoid going the same places, talking at the same times, and boring dates. She wants a spontaneous, interesting guy. Not a guy whos going to watch movies in his bed with her everynight.

Get the point? I hardly write responses of this length, but this sort of reminded me of my current GF who I fell for in college right away. The girl was beautiful, smart, sexy, but would not give me an ounce of attention. It's simple. I turned it around, and didn't give her much attention and it only took a matter of days for her to notice.

Show her your're sexual, but don't let her think she has you. If she knows she has you, theres no hope.
 

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nice, i kinda see what you're getting at

and the thing is she kinda chases me but im such an idiot for falling for her to much.

so you have any tips on how to be spontaneous, im not to sure what that means,

she calls me more than i do, so i hardly call her.
i only call to return her calls basicly

2morrow im not going to talk to her one bit.. tryin to change things up.

on wed ill have my surgery so she wont able to talk to me leavin her more intrerested.

but i feel that im talkign to her too much and not enough action(dates)

im thinking of ingoring a few calls of her, limit each talking periods to 10-20 mins only

like i did alot of ****, showed her confidence.. she said im very smart and mature and at times i basicly sweep her off her feet when she bought the age problem.. so she htinks im nice too and smart and she knows im all about respect so flaking isnt a problem im hoping.

but tonight i think i kinda threw myself off and put myself on her leash.. 2morrow is going to be a fresh start
 

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Spontaneous? All that means is although you want to be your own person, you also want to show her that you're not afraid to take on other qualities. For instance, do you think a girl wants a guy who does the same thing everyday? Hell no. Most girls want a guy who is going to fill them with new ideas. If you have a boring life, then how could you possibly make hers exciting?

Second of all, if she is calling you and is feeling you pretty hard, then you should definitely step it up a notch. Have you done anything with this girl? If it gets to the point where you are hanging out with her a lot and nothing is really happening, then things will soon turn to friends.
 

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WC2 said:
Spontaneous? All that means is although you want to be your own person, you also want to show her that you're not afraid to take on other qualities. For instance, do you think a girl wants a guy who does the same thing everyday? Hell no. Most girls want a guy who is going to fill them with new ideas. If you have a boring life, then how could you possibly make hers exciting?

Second of all, if she is calling you and is feeling you pretty hard, then you should definitely step it up a notch. Have you done anything with this girl? If it gets to the point where you are hanging out with her a lot and nothing is really happening, then things will soon turn to friends.

well i kinda knew her for a week and half i think,
we chilled once but it was a group thing so i didnt pay much attention to her..

im tryin to do stuff, tonight was gonna be the perfect plan, i had a plan too and was going for the kiss close but she had a problem with her family,

she works alot too so im thinking this friday we are going to do something.

she asked me to chill a few times but i only accepted once so far
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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whoa man, from what i see you are overthinking this way too much, just chill out and things will come into place.
 
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well thanks alot guys..

i'll let you know the update
 

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update: things going smooth.. i have beeen doing ALot of flirting and she loves it.. non stop laugher and a lil sexual too.

but one thing that i have notice.. i know girls like a guy that cares for them but wont take **** either..

she hasnt thrown any shiitt at me so im good there,
i also kept the calls limited..

but i show her that i care.. i never told her that i cared. i showed it for an example we went out as a group and i left early... without sayin bye,

i texted her later that night sayin phone me when u reach home safe then she did and the call lasted for 10 sec.. thats all i wanted

and she was suck at a friends place where she was tanked so was her driver so i picked them up then she felt very bad and phoned me 8 in the morning which i didnt pick up because i would rather sleep, she appoliozed(sp?) a few times so i said dont worry about it.. acted like it didnt bug me..

she shows that she cares for me too, some how i guess, phoning me during her break hour to see how my surgery went.

but for some how i can sense she finds it a turn off... i can feel it, she didnt say anything about... about me caring soo much, she just said that im a really "nice" guy


do girls hate it when ur dating someone and they show that u care for them?

maybe im doing it too much? should i back off? since we're not commited?
 

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things going good i like it but one thing is confusing me
im sensing mixed singals so would it be cool to ask her where do the both of us stand?

like i dont wanna be her gf,

u think it would sound clingly? if i asked her where do the both of us stand and which directions are we going?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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bump
 

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well i took her out two days ago,

i took her to play pool, thing went smooth, i didnt do much kino, i should have done more but i was more focus on her.. observing her.. (im just trippy like that)
i think it went good... we flirted with each other.. i taught her how to play pool
made ALOt of eye contact while talking.. i was lookin her right in the eye so was she.

i held the door for her,

i'd say it went good.
but at the end, i tried to go for the kiss close but i guess she denied it.. like i told her hold on the door is busted so i got out, when i was half way on the other side she got out im like DAMN! she had her head turned down the whole way so i guess she was dening the kiss close so i hugged her and said good night,

first date though
 
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