"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I'm hereby retracting my new found respect of women

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Part of this is because I'm drunk, and the other part is because I got the hat trick tonight. I struck out with all three prospects I had lined up.

I thought I could at least land the fat girl. I'm good at landing fat girls. How the fvck do you strike out with a fat girl? She already liked me, too. And somehow I messed it up.

I'm actually more upset about this other girl that I had been interested in for awhile. She was a HB8, and was the girlfriend of a friend/acquaintence of mine. But she has a history of getting drunk at the bar and hoing it up and pissing off whatever guy she's with. So she gets dumped a lot. She did that again tonight, and I had to break up a would be fight between her boyfriend (ex I don't know what they are now) and the guy who took her home who was a total douche and would have gotten his ass kicked had I not stopped her boyfriend from kicking his ass. But apparently, she got drunk and made out with this douche, and her boyfriend got mad about it, and that's where I came in along with the door guy to help intervene.

It's a sticky situation being that I'm kind of friends with the guy she just cheated on, but I have no loyalty to the guy she went home with tonight. So depending on what she does from here will depend on what I do.

Sorry if this doesn't make any sense. I'm still drunk. I'll translate tomorrow.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Nexus Polaris says, " I'm still drunk."

:crackup:

You too?

I just had a freak party not too long ago, still cleanign up over here.
 

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Yeah, that seems to be the way I handle things. If it's not going great with the ladies, I just buy another pitcher of beer until I've completely lost any game I had. :(

How do you handle a ****y fat girl that is obviously overcompensating and tries to 1-up you every time you try to knock down her faux ****iness?
 

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Man dude my bad, I didn't really read the post a lot.

Sexual flow, sexual power, sexual attitude, this is what makes the women fvck you. Women FVCK the guy with all the sexual power.

Gunwitch is an excellent teacher on this, read the Gunwitch method.

Here's the process I use

1. You obtain a chick's number
2. You PHONE SEX her FIRST
3. After PHONE SEX you fvck her
4. After fvcking her, you put her into 1 of 4 catergories

Girlfriend/Wifey
Close Friends with Benefits
Social Fvck Partner
Fvck Partner

Majority of the chicks you meet will be Fvck Partners and Close Friends with Benefits. Very, very, very few will be the girlfriend wifey catergory.

If you want me to explain these catergories more I can do so. But just from reading this you can see where a lot of guys mess up at, and wehre all their "problems" with women come from.

Number one- They don't pursue enough prospects.
Number two- They "date" and be in "relationships" with women that are just fvck partners or close friends with benefits.
Number three- They don't UP their sexual state, they don't even use it most of the time, and most of these guys don't even know what the hell sexual state is.

If you want me to go deeper I will. But as far as the "striking out" I'm willing to bet:

1. You got these chick's numbers
2. You called and "made a date."
3. Then when you called to pick them up, they were nowhere to be found.

They call it "a chick flaking on you." But in reality, chicks don't flake!

They fvck! And since most guys don't have their sexual power going, the chick spends her time with the guy that does!

See, guys keep taking chicks that are just "fvcks" and treating the encounter like a girlfriend/wifey encounter. That's why all these problems keep occurring.

Every guy wants a fvcking relationship so bad, they take a chick that they know deep down in their gut is not a suitable partner, and they date her. They want to be cool, be seen with a chick, have someone to go see Norbit with, etc.

All that shyt leads to problems. You want a relatonship? You want a girlfriend? Let me give you a bit of reality...in today's world...

90% of the women you encounter in America today WILL NOT BE GIRLFRIEND MATERIAL. Sorry. They are just like you and me, they want to nut, and nut with as many "guys" that carry this sexual power. They want to feel and live this sexual power.....

You want a relationship? You have to go on a "fvcking" warpath and marathon, and in the midst you find a chick that qualifies for a relationship. Then you contine on the fvcking warpath then you find another, and this continues.

Guys don't pursue enough women, at all! They are too scared to even fvcking approach one girl! Do you know how many chicks it takes to "fvck" before you finally find a chick that's relationship material? A good number of them buddy......and these guys wont' even "approach" a chick? They are making their lives very painful, because it's goiong to take them time to pursue enough approaches to get enough lays to get to the chicks that qualifies for a relationship. But if they won't approach, then shyt.....
 

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DJF or John - I like your perspective. It's different. Off to read some Gunwitch.

Nexus Polaris - Be happy you weren't the one taking that one chick home and getting your ass kicked by her ex. Unless of course you coudl take him.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Nexus Polaris said:
..I thought I could at least land the fat girl. I'm good at landing fat girls. How the fvck do you strike out with a fat girl? She already liked me, too. And somehow I messed it up....
I'm trying to figure out if getting drunk helps you sarge in general or hurts you by making you feel that it's alright to sarge any woman.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I'm trying to figure out if getting drunk helps you sarge in general or hurts you by making you feel that it's alright to sarge any woman.
meh debatable

some guys would say ANY girl is better than no girl at all

though I must disagree....
 

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Phone sex? C'mon.

Personally, phone sex to me is a big tease and waste of time.

And second, what kind of girls are you meeting that dig phone sex--even during the first convo?

I agree with most of DJF's post....the phone sex thing is a bit odd.
 

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Mind_Body_Soul said:
DJF or John - I like your perspective. It's different. Off to read some Gunwitch.

Nexus Polaris - Be happy you weren't the one taking that one chick home and getting your ass kicked by her ex. Unless of course you coudl take him.
Second this, thanks DJF!! Man, I'm glad I found this forum. I'd like to read some Gunwitch too, anyone know the link?
 

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DJF or John said:
Man dude my bad, I didn't really read the post a lot.

Sexual flow, sexual power, sexual attitude, this is what makes the women fvck you. Women FVCK the guy with all the sexual power.

Gunwitch is an excellent teacher on this, read the Gunwitch method.

Here's the process I use

1. You obtain a chick's number
2. You PHONE SEX her FIRST
3. After PHONE SEX you fvck her
4. After fvcking her, you put her into 1 of 4 catergories

Girlfriend/Wifey
Close Friends with Benefits
Social Fvck Partner
Fvck Partner

Majority of the chicks you meet will be Fvck Partners and Close Friends with Benefits. Very, very, very few will be the girlfriend wifey catergory.

If you want me to explain these catergories more I can do so. But just from reading this you can see where a lot of guys mess up at, and wehre all their "problems" with women come from.

Number one- They don't pursue enough prospects.
Number two- They "date" and be in "relationships" with women that are just fvck partners or close friends with benefits.
Number three- They don't UP their sexual state, they don't even use it most of the time, and most of these guys don't even know what the hell sexual state is.

If you want me to go deeper I will. But as far as the "striking out" I'm willing to bet:

1. You got these chick's numbers
2. You called and "made a date."
3. Then when you called to pick them up, they were nowhere to be found.

They call it "a chick flaking on you." But in reality, chicks don't flake!

They fvck! And since most guys don't have their sexual power going, the chick spends her time with the guy that does!

See, guys keep taking chicks that are just "fvcks" and treating the encounter like a girlfriend/wifey encounter. That's why all these problems keep occurring.

Every guy wants a fvcking relationship so bad, they take a chick that they know deep down in their gut is not a suitable partner, and they date her. They want to be cool, be seen with a chick, have someone to go see Norbit with, etc.

All that shyt leads to problems. You want a relatonship? You want a girlfriend? Let me give you a bit of reality...in today's world...

90% of the women you encounter in America today WILL NOT BE GIRLFRIEND MATERIAL. Sorry. They are just like you and me, they want to nut, and nut with as many "guys" that carry this sexual power. They want to feel and live this sexual power.....

You want a relationship? You have to go on a "fvcking" warpath and marathon, and in the midst you find a chick that qualifies for a relationship. Then you contine on the fvcking warpath then you find another, and this continues.

Guys don't pursue enough women, at all! They are too scared to even fvcking approach one girl! Do you know how many chicks it takes to "fvck" before you finally find a chick that's relationship material? A good number of them buddy......and these guys wont' even "approach" a chick? They are making their lives very painful, because it's goiong to take them time to pursue enough approaches to get enough lays to get to the chicks that qualifies for a relationship. But if they won't approach, then shyt.....
I've read Gunwitch's embracing your masculinity thing a few times, and the more I read it, the more of it seems to sink in. Is there anything else by him that I should read?

I read something else from Pook the other night that I hadn't previously seen. It took me about an hour to get through it, but it was infinitely valuable. That guy's a genius.


I like your method overall, but is the phone sex part really necessary? I've only ever done that once with a girl (at her insistance), and I had a hard time not laughing. It just seems silly and pointless to me.

I think I've fallen into all three of those pitfalls you mentioned, though. I definitely have a history of not persuing enough options. It's like I get this guilty feeling like I'm not supposed to see anybody else even if I'm not officially exclusively with the girl I'm sleeping with. I actually drove one girl crazy last year keeping her on the backburner because I knew she liked me, and I would hang out with her several times a week. She'd invite me over, cook for me, buy me beer, and everything, but I wouldn't do anything non-platonic with her because I was sleeping with this other girl at the time. It wasn't until the other girl pissed me off that I fvcked around with the first girl.

I've definitely stopped getting into relationships with girls I know I have no future with, though. That's why I haven't had an official girlfriend in 4 years. But I will lightly date them. Even though I know I won't marry them, I still get into these light exclusive dating scenarios and date them until I get tired of them. I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but it seems to work for me.

Since reading Gunwitch, I have worked on trying to up my sexual state. But I'm still new at it, so it's obvious to everybody that I don't have a hold on it yet. I still look like I'm trying rather than being.



As far as the striking out, actually I think I kind of misworded some things last night in my drunken stupor. I didn't technically have any dates lined up. I just ran into a couple of my prospects all in the same place. Here's what actually happened.

Background on chick 1 (the fat girl): About two months ago, I had talked to her for about 15 minutes at the bar one night. I made some decent headway but wasn't close to a close. Then right as the bar was closing, the lights were on, and they were kicking everybody out, my best friend starts talking to the same girl. In 5 minutes, he got himself invited back to her place and ended up fvcking her.

I didn't care and let it go. Then a couple of weeks ago out of nowhere, the same girl finds me on myspace and starts messaging me. And we have a lot of mutual friends, so that was what she talked to me about. But we agreed to grab a drink sometime. Wednesday night, I was up there, and she came over to sit with me. We talked for about an hour about random things. She still seemed somewhat intererested although she kept up this whole ****y "I'm better than you facade" the whole night which annoyed the **** out of me. And every time I tried to use C&F to take her down a peg, she'd get defensive. But I wonder if that's because she's obviously not genuinely stuck up. She's overcompensating for the fact that she has low self esteem.

Anyway, once I realized I wasn't going to get the f close Wednesday night and that the signals were wrong to try to go for the k close, I just bailed without even bothering with the # close even though I think that's what she was hoping for.

So I ran into her again at random last night at the same bar. She seemed receptive at first. But her BT seemed to drop as the night progressed. I did some things right, though. At one point, she and my friend got into a long discussion about coffee which I was not part of. I got bored and got up and left and went to go talk to some other friends. A few minutes later she comes to find me and asks if I was bored. After settling the would be fight between the boyfriend of the other girl and the douche, I came back inside and sat down at the table with her and her friends. The signals seemed different. Her BT seemed lower, and I ended up just talking music with the guy across the table with me who used to be one of my customers when I worked at the CD store. When she hugged me goodbye, it felt more like a friend hug. I think the door was closed.


Chick number 2: I also just ran into her at random last night. But she left about 5 minutes after I got there. After saying hi, she asked me to get her some water, and I know I probably should have told her to get up and get it herself, but I was going to the bar anyway to get beer, so I thought I'd be nice. Was that too AFC? I didn't sit down and wait for approval when I got back. I set her water down on the table next to her and softly said into her ear, "Don't say I never did anything for you," and walked off to sit at the next table over with the friends I came there with.

She made a half ass effort to say goodbye to me when she left, but nothing like the previous time we had hung out. Plus, she seems to be keeping me at bay using words like, "Man," to address me. I hate that. That's a turn off. I say, "man," all the time, but I say it to my guy friends. Girls aren't supposed to say that.


Chick number 3: She wasn't really even a prospect. Just somebody I had liked for awhile but couldn't do anything about it because she was dating a friend/acquaintence of mine. But since she has a history of getting drunk and making out with random other guys at the bar, her boyfriends often get sick of her ****. She's worked her way through a lot of my circle of friends now. I just wanted to be next. It sucks because she's a sweet girl with a really good heart. She's just got a bunch of issues. You can tell that she'd make an awesome girlfriend if she could ever stop feeling like she has to have the approval of every guy at the bar. She's another one of those super hot girls with low self esteem, and so she acts like a slut.

Long story short, she made out with another guy last night in front of her boyfriend, and I had to stop him from kicking the other guy's ass. And there's no way the other guy would have won. Her boyfriend is short but stocky. 5'9" and 230. And most of that is muscle. Not only that, but he's a trained fighter. The douche who took her home was a tall, skinny guy with a big mouth and nothing to back it up.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I'm trying to figure out if getting drunk helps you sarge in general or hurts you by making you feel that it's alright to sarge any woman.
It's tough to say. My track record shows that I've generally been more successful approaching girls when I'm smashed because I have more confidence (fake confidence) and I don't care as much what they say in terms of rejecting me.

Even though when I talk to them, I could not possibly be any less smooth as I'm staggering everywhere and slurring everything.

But my best female friend (we're like brother and sister) and I actually dated when we first met. And she only told me recently that she initially had no interest in me at all when we met. But drunkenly I persued her in a very DJ way, and I landed her within the week.

I almost wonder if alcohol doesn't temporarily suppress all the brainwashing we're given in society and make us revert back to our natural state. I become a lot more aggressive, confident, sexual, etc. (everything I'm not usually) when I'm drunk. It's too bad it impairs us from being able to act on those things better.


I do have standards, though. I don't just sarge any woman. Actually, this girl that I was talking about is a diamond in the rough. She's one of those really pretty girls that's just big. If she ever lost the weight, she'd have guys throwing themselves at her.
 

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Nexus Polaris said:
It's tough to say. My track record shows that I've generally been more successful approaching girls when I'm smashed because I have more confidence (fake confidence) and I don't care as much what they say in terms of rejecting me.

Even though when I talk to them, I could not possibly be any less smooth as I'm staggering everywhere and slurring everything.

But my best female friend (we're like brother and sister) and I actually dated when we first met. And she only told me recently that she initially had no interest in me at all when we met. But drunkenly I persued her in a very DJ way, and I landed her within the week.

I almost wonder if alcohol doesn't temporarily suppress all the brainwashing we're given in society and make us revert back to our natural state. I become a lot more aggressive, confident, sexual, etc. (everything I'm not usually) when I'm drunk. It's too bad it impairs us from being able to act on those things better.


I do have standards, though. I don't just sarge any woman. Actually, this girl that I was talking about is a diamond in the rough. She's one of those really pretty girls that's just big. If she ever lost the weight, she'd have guys throwing themselves at her.
I'm hearing several things from this. Drinking doesn't help you actually pick up women, it just makes rejection bearable. You've already mentioned that the confidence that it gives you is fake, I have nothing to add to that.

It also sounds as if you tend to project yourself beyond the moment, into how things "could be." Finding that diamond in the rough for example, it's not that she is very attractive to you as is, that she could be. Sounds a bit familiar to what women try to do with men, doesn't it?

So is sarging while drunk really getting you what you want the way that you really want to achieve it?
 
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I've heard someone mention phone sex, what is that and how do you do that? I've never done that before and dont understand the concept other than these 1-900 numbers on the newspaper which I never called, and dont have the slightest interest. Looking at pics sounds like more fun than that.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I'm hearing several things from this. Drinking doesn't help you actually pick up women, it just makes rejection bearable. You've already mentioned that the confidence that it gives you is fake, I have nothing to add to that.

It also sounds as if you tend to project yourself beyond the moment, into how things "could be." Finding that diamond in the rough for example, it's not that she is very attractive to you as is, that she could be. Sounds a bit familiar to what women try to do with men, doesn't it?

So is sarging while drunk really getting you what you want the way that you really want to achieve it?
The first part, I absolutely agree with. However, the second part is a bit off.

I wasn't talking to this girl because of how she had the potential to be. It was just an added bonus that the potential is there. I'm genuinely at least physically attracted to her as she is. It's her personality that's getting on my nerves.

The drunk thing definitely isn't my preferred method of sarging, and I'm not still pulling in the caliber of women I'd ultimately like to get. But I'm trying not to set the bar too high at first. I'm trying to start reasonable and work my way up to where I want to be.

If you have any suggestions on how to make this better, I'm definitely open to them.
 

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...If you have any suggestions on how to make this better, I'm definitely open to them.
What would it take for you to feel comfortable about who you are when you are out and about. That's what you'd need to work on.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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