"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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i met a girl at my local mcdonalds. was in the drive through. i've seen her there before and she told a friend of my brothers that she thought i was sexy (i was sitting right there so i heard it too). anyway, i saw her today she said hi and smiled when i pulled up, mind you i've never even really spoken to this girl and she was greeting me like we knew eachother. so i figured why not find out her name. i asked her name and she started giggling and what not, told me her name and wants to start a conversation (still in the drivethrough with cars behind me) so i sat and talked to her for about a minute, found out how old she is and where she lives, told her she had a pretty smile and she turned bright red. then i decided i needed to go(my food was getting cold) , so i told her id come back to see her sometime. then it dawned on me as i was pulling off that i could have gotten her phone number so as im pulling off, while i could still see her in my window, i say to her "ill be back for your phone number too". she says "ok" and i pulled off.

anyone think not getting her number right away was a huge mistake? like when i go back and see her do you think i could still get it? im still new at talking to girls that i dont know so any help would be greatly appreciated. id like to think that i left on a high note, she seemed like she was upset that i was leaving. although i did forget to ask whether or not she had a boyfriend. just one more thing to ask her next time i see her.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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What I would have done is gone into the store and told her that she forgot to give me her number. But it's not a mistake, chances are, it's going to make her WANT to give you her number.:up:
 
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great, now once i actually get her number, since i dont really know her yet, i was thinking id call her either that night or the following night and talk for a bit see if she wants to hang out. i've gotta be honest tho. its not uncommon for a girl to be hit on in the drive through window so would it be creepy to even think anything of this?
 
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^Go into the store. Say: Ill order a Cheeseburger, and your number please.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I don't think you should have added that "I'll be back for your number too" part, but that's just my opinion. The next time you see her ask her for her number. You don't want to make it seem like you were that desperate for her number though, act like getting her number was simply part of your day.
 
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i dont think it made me seem desperate and she responded well to it so now i at least know that she is willing to give it to me. i practically asked for it right there, just didnt get it at that point and time because i was kinda hungry and wasnt thinking
 
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jeffthechef said:
who cares haha..she said she was going to give you her number...now get it whenever it's convenient..but don't intentionally not go for a certain period of time..
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^ Exactly my thoughts.It doesnt really matter if you told her youll be back for her number.Guys on this forum will disagree saying its DLV or what not,but who gives a rats ass?Youll be back for her number then youll be able to get the mack down going on dont worry about it.
 
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ok well i got her number, now i plan on calling her this weekend to set up a date. problem is i haven't the slightest clue as to what to do. i was thinking i would call her up with something like "hey i was thinking, we should go hangout this weekend and get to know eachother a lil bit". and maybe go for a walk and get some icecream or something. anyone have any date ideas?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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'm pretty sure theres a forum on this somewhere..it was sexy..you should search it..but usually first dates should have some action...talking is fine but you dont want to sit and talk all day because you will probably have silent moments..and you don't want to tell her everything about you right away..remain a mystery for a bit....maybe mini golf or bowling and talking while you do that...zoo..museum..aquarium..botanical garden..fishing...some activity so you dont have to worry about tlaking every single second
 
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well i am going bowling tomorrow but its with some guys from my soccer team so i dont think it would be a good idea to to take her
 
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