"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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IM chat log: c+f and charisma

duke007

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Here's a chat session I had with a girl I met on a dating website. We live in different countries so I'm using her for practice. So especially toward the end I began asking questions that I wouldn't normally ask a girl I was trying to get with.

I aimed to be C+F, she picked up on it, and liked it. This led her to believe I was charismatic. We both used a lot of winks ;), but they weren't saved in the log (there are gaps where they used to be).

I'm posting this because many new guys often wonder how to be c+f and deal with girls on the internet. This is a real example of a conversation..it is often difficult to remember what was said in a face-to-face convo. I thought I'd share because it seems to have worked very well. I would say if I lived in this cutie's town, she'd be putty in my hands. So tell me what you think.

Carpe Diem!!!: Andy?
Andy: i'm here. hmmm what's with the crazy pink font?
Carpe Diem!!!: oh I always use pink it just took me a bit to get everything set up on here
Andy: nice. did you just watch a rerun of Dead Poets Society?
Carpe Diem!!!: lol I'm obsessed but haven't for a bit! so what's up?
Andy: just wasting a bit of time before uni...i have a 3 hr seminar to look forward to...
Carpe Diem!!!: ooh fun! ^o) oh do you want me to let you go?
Andy: hahah you're ok...the class is not for a little while
Carpe Diem!!!: oh cool cool
Andy: but I know you do like to talk a lot....
Carpe Diem!!!: lol yes this is true! but don't you as well?
Andy: hahah...you got me... i like a girl who can dish it out too
Carpe Diem!!!: !! hey do you by chance got a webcam? I just got one that works, but no one else seems to have one =(
Andy: unfortunately no....I know you're keen to see more of me nice try
Andy: hey you can start your own webcam website!
Carpe Diem!!!: ooh you saw through my little plan! haha! *evil laugh* just kidding. what a pornographic one???!!??
Andy: hahahah.....hmmm you have a dirty mind! I wasn't thinking that when I said it....but if that's what floats your boat
Carpe Diem!!!: oh no lol! but usually when people have a "webcam" page it's pornographic in nature!
Andy: ahh so you go to these sites do you?....lol. many people have kid-friendly sites erina...
Carpe Diem!!!: oh man I promise I don't, lol i keep sounding more and more like some kind of perv! I swear I'm not really!
Andy: hahah you're so easy to pick on! not in a mean way though! that's ok, I don't think you're the online stalker type
Carpe Diem!!!: oh lol well that's good! and i get that a lot I'm a bit of an easy target! so what is your class on? what does IS stand for?
Andy: heh, strategic change of subject there.....IS is Information Systems...no-one ever knows what it means. the class is research methods - basically teaching us how to write a thesis
Carpe Diem!!!: oh fun.... thesis writing is just sucha blast.. poor kid!
Andy: yup, you said it...my topic is ok though...text messaging and the initation of romantic relationships
Carpe Diem!!!: oh! is that why you joined espin?
Andy: hmmmm...you got me again! in a way yes, but it's not JUST for research
Carpe Diem!!!: oh wee you looking for some hotties from Australia?
Andy: hahah well let's see if there are any....but text messaging means through mobile phones rather than internet. I-Dating is only slightly related
Carpe Diem!!!: oh wow I didn't know people did that through phones!
Andy: the number is obtained using conventional 'pickup' methods, then we start looking at how SMS works.
Carpe Diem!!!: SMS??
Andy: for example, one girl on espin gave me her # and said, "Txt me some time" I suppose this is part of my thesis
Andy: text messaging = SMS
Carpe Diem!!!: ah that seems a bit dangerous! moreso than email!
Andy: ahhh I'm trustworthy! I'm sure you'd give me your number if I lived in CO!
Carpe Diem!!!: lol well maybe I really don't have a single person from America on my spin list so it hasn't been a problem!
Andy: maybe? hmmm maybe is girlspeak for "god yes!" lol. well what's wrong with all the American boys?
Carpe Diem!!!: eh I don't like them nor do I have much luck, lol confident aren't ya?
Andy: well I don't usually butt-kiss...but you are the most 'normal' person I've met on the net through these sites...you'd be surprised how many girls can't spell. the stupidity is horrendous!
Carpe Diem!!!: aww well you're pretty "normal" yourself! really??!?! I haven't really met any weirdos!
Andy: one girl said she hates her mother...another said I sounded like an arsehole just from one email....hahah it's pretty funny actually
Carpe Diem!!!: oh! I don't see how anyone could think you sound like an ass!
Andy: exactly so don't you text message very much?
Carpe Diem!!!: on phones?? never not my thing, do you? I probably dont cause I share a phone with my mom though...
Andy: hmm really? so how do you talk to guys if your mum might answer?
Carpe Diem!!!: oh no one ever calls me on a cell, lol plus i don't talk to too many guys, I'm a bit shy.. do you chat up a lot of girls?
Andy: oh you're not so shy as you think...you brought up porno websites remember? hmmm well lets just say I have personal interest in my thesis topic!
Carpe Diem!!!: oh well its different online! lol ooh la la! you pick up girls via phone eh? I figured your cuteness would get you billions upon billions of girls!
Andy: hahah ah so many compliments! well first it has to be in person...in order to get the number. but I hate the phone..I only use it to set-up face-to-face. communication is nothing without body language. you agree?
Carpe Diem!!!: I definitly agree! =)
Andy: so cuteness ey? is that cute in a baby kinda way or cute in a sexy kinda way? there are only two kinds of cute you know
Carpe Diem!!!: i would say cute sexy
Andy: heheh that's what I like to hear!
Carpe Diem!!!: how about me? lol
Andy: haah i knew that was coming! well at this stage I;d have to say sexy cute but I need a few more non-zombie images to decide
Carpe Diem!!!: lol its ok definitly NOT sexy cute, maybe little kid cute but I'm ok with that but you must have a lot of girls intrested in you. ugh lol I'm sorry I'll stop rambling!
Andy: hahah hmm i'm interested to know, why do you say "must have girls interested"? what exactly is it about me?...i'm oblivious
Carpe Diem!!!: you just seem teribly charasmatic is all
Andy: oh ok...hmm i need you to pass on a good word for me
Carpe Diem!!!: lol what do you mean?
Andy: let all the girls know how charasmatic i am....but I know that's impossible. hahah i can't believe your cool with all this ****iness....i really pushing the limit aren't i?
Carpe Diem!!!: eh I figure you deserve to be =)
Andy: deserve to be ****y? how come?
Carpe Diem!!!: I don't know I guess cause you're cool? it seems like kidding ****y so i don't mind do you know what I mean? I don't know if I'm making sense
Andy: kidding ****y exactly...not arrogant ****y. i just love messin around
Carpe Diem!!!: yeah I can tell
Andy: ahhh good. well I gotta run to my class now, but I'll catch you later....remember the waffle pic! you ahve a webcam now so it should be easy
Carpe Diem!!!: lol alrighty but I want one too! have a good tim ein class! bye!
Andy: i'll see what i can do ...cheers!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Hollowpoint

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pretty good, all except that asking about the ****iness part IMO
 

duke007

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true. but since I've friendzoned her...I tried to suck as much helpful information as I could from her, so the rules were bent a bit.
 

Knicknack

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accusing her of looking at porn sites was classic c+f... i love it... talking about being c+f with her was weak though... avoid that. you don't need her approval
 
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