I'm Back (A Few Observations)

[Eric Smith]

Whats up everybody? For a while I left. Well, its been about two months. Why did I leave? When I left this board, things weren't going great in my life. Things I had direct involvement in. My grades were slipping, bodybuilding became a thought and nothing more, and I settled down with a girl who I'd have to say was lackluster after it was all said and done. I wanted to return with a fresh start, ready to take on the world as I once did last summer.

Well, this lasted for about a month before I found the anti-thesis of this site, Seducing Women 101. Put away your pitchforks and your torches, let me explain here. To me, it was almost like I was at a point of vulnerability. I wanted to leave the girl but was not sure about getting back. My hard work from lifting weights was neutered by this slacking off and my DJ skills were as sharp as rubber ball. The stuff I read began to make sense. For I was never a fan of neghits anyway and a lot of the stuff Destini9 said seemed to switch on a light bulb in my head. For a while, I denounced almost all DJ activities. I thought this was the right thing. For those that really don't know about SW101, essentially it means that you are wasting your time doing DJ moves and in reality, only your polar opposite can be attracted to you and nothing more.

Seemed reasonable of course but things between my ex and I faltered. I got in the first place with C+F and all that and when I stopped, she seemed more distant. Sex was happening less and less. Anyway, I broke up with her before my Christmas break (December 19th) and ready to conquer the world with my 'new and improved' knowledge. What little did I know that I got absolutely no results. I hung out with friends and went by her stuff and got 0. Yes, nothing. Once again I was wondering wtf was going on?

So I have come back here but not before doing some reflecting. Was what she said correct? I believe there is some truth to what we say. However I am a believer of the bell curve. So if you go out in the world, you will notice:

1% of girls want to nail you right then and there
15% of girls are attracted to you
68% of girls are indifferent to you
15% of girls are not attracted to you
1% of girls are repulsed by your presence

If you ask me, DJing takes that precious 68% of the female populace and can help you shift it to either the top two or if you are bad, lower two categories. This curve can be affected naturally without you speaking if you are really attractive or really ugly. I believe that no matter how great your skills are, you will never convince that lower 1% This 1% can be a mixture of princesses, beach whales, etc. you name it, there is a variety to be had here. I also believe that polar opposite attractions are legitimate. If the opposite is found, odds are she is in that 1% You can pretty much do no wrong to get in her pants. If you find near an opposite, she might be in that 15% that might need just a couple minutes of words before she moves to that 1% category.

Thats why being really masculine will net you the really feminine girls, which is a good thing because a lot of attractive girls are really feminine. So if you got a rock solid buff body and look great, you can pretty much net most attractive girls because they are very feminine and are your opposites. Might not be 100% spot on opposite but the attractive female world is your oyster if you have the looks. Beach whales will probably despise you. Sometimes it might be jealousy, sometimes it might be because they wished they had what you have, or maybe a combination of both with some other factors but they are in that 1% or at best, the lower 15% They think attractive men are all *******s that are only after the fine women (note: hell, why not?)

Seems like a solid theory that happens to mesh a lot of DJing and SD (Sexual Dynamics) Another thing I thought about is rejection. You would think that rejection meant that they did not want you. Something I pulled from SD but kind of put my own twist on it. A rejection doesn't necessarily mean that the girl in question has no feelings for you. As Destini9 posts, it sounds like girls in general are really fickle when it comes to conversations. Say the wrong thing and the chances of getting her begin to float away. She might think that it wasn't the right time to do so or because she was just taken in surprise. Most girls seldomly get approached in public. It seems to happen more in parties and other social gatherings. Some girls might ignore you because she may like you but it needs to be done in some classy manner that makes her feel like a lady instead of some street slut that can be nabbed with 0 effort.

These are some observations that I've made. I think the schooling of DJing should progress more towards this.

 

[MackJr]

I reject the philosophy of destini9. It's going to turn you into an AFC.

Before DJ technique, I was nice, well-qualified guy. Mating was a rare and celebrated occasion.

After DJ technique, I got laid. It was so simple that I found that the once impossible-to-get women could bore me, when before they were an impossible challenge.

Look, the advice Destini9 gives is from a woman, and naturally she's going to give advice that shifts the power curve in her direction. But that's why it doesn't work. If you give power to women, then they'll reject you, because power itself is what attracts them. The only exceptions are the highly dominant women that explicitly want a guy to push around.

You don't have to use this knowledge to sleep with 100 women a month. I hope you don't to be honest, for the sake of preventing communicable diseases and your own sanity. But it's as useful for dealing with that one special woman as it is 100 because they're not as different as we tend to think.

 

[Eric Smith]

Destini9's stuff at first makes a lot of sense. This might be the right way to get her but not necessarily the rest of the female populace. A lot of girls are the same but C+F might work magic for one girl and disgust the next. However I believe it is very easy to see what ones would work. Typically the more laid back girls will playfully respond to C+F. For a girl who happens to think she is the greatest thing to happen to the world since sliced bread, a few neghits will knock her down. I don't like doing them but if it takes that to get a girl to realize she is nothing more than a human being, then so be it.

Destini9 has a few good ideas that I think with DJing and some of her ideas can further the seduction game. I notice every 3-4 years it seems like there is a complete paradigm shift because it appears that the past methods aren't 100% foolproof. Its not a task that I or maybe a couple people can do, it has to take a network but I think the current DJ styled seduction game has a little life to it left but relies on a lot of 2000-2001 posts. Even some of the authors that originally post that don't necessarily agree because they've evolved. MOTU is a standout though of what I'm saying. He has evolved himself into what I'd call a Master PUA which I personally consider the highest ranking of men that are able to get women. My ratings go like this:

Master PUA - Honestly MOTU is the only one I know that is this
PUA - Has the game down pat but isn't 100% Pook IMO is this
DJ - Is no longer the AFC but still has a few kinks left in his game
RAFC - The man that realizes his past mistakes but still is uncomfortable when talking to women. Has a long ways to go but is making good progress
AFC - The average man. They get action but a lot of their methods hold them back from being the aformentioned stages
SAFC - Sub AFC. Not every average man is some poetry writing chump. I think these are the guys that make men look bad.
DFC - My term for Dateless Frustrated Chump. These guys get no play...at all. The lowest term if you ask me.

 

[Skel]

Destini9 is speaking out of her ass. She probably truly does think that everything she has posted is true, however subconsciously she and all the rest of the females are just that in the end, females. They may think they know what they want but when it comes down to it they do the same things and are attracted to the same types of things that all the rest of the girls out there are and thats alpha males.

 

[legolas]

I've read some of sw101 site articles.

First of all they are friggin hard to digest, so if you ask questions, she can make you look stupid for not understanding something so easy

Second of all the articles were long and made no sense whatsoever. If you look at them from the "Speed Seduction Hatin'" point of view. Destini attacks Ross Jeffries and his stuff a lot in her articles. This is not to say that SS is "valid" whatever that means. This is to say that she is attacking the concept of "control"

Ultimately if you read her site and understand half of it (if you're lucky to do so) and if you buy into the theories, it all boils down to: "No matter what you do, some women will not be attracted to you"

Now I agree with that statement!!

Why?

Because if you play the numbers game you will find out that ultimately a good number of women will not be attracted to you. However the site articles also create a sense of helplesness in the reader, and tend to put them in the position of "passive" vs. "active" and making attempts.

That is how I felt after reading the articles. They mistakenly cut your self-esteem because you know that she might not be interested in you. Well that should be THE REASON why you need to approach her, and get her contact info so that if she says no, you know she's one of the ones not interested!! In the end, that attitude should empower you instead of bringing you down.

Destini does a good job of hurting the males' self-esteem, which I suspect is her subconscious reason for writing the articles. It is called "subtle revenge" If you remember she is a self-proclaimed feminazi!!

 

[Enduro]

Who is MOTU?

 

[Nooby Doo]

Originally posted by Enduro
Who is MOTU?

Master of the Universe

Do a search of his posts. They are excellent. But I wouldnt call him a Master PUA. Most of the time he was here he was a virgin and even though he is getting laid now, I dont think he could hold a candle to someone like Mystery or Tyler Durden (from ASF).

As far as this site goes, the only title of Master PUA has to go to Fingers (weapons of mass seduction) Pook is more of a Tony RObbins self-improvement type. He even admits he doesnt do approaches.

Not that it really matters. Damn. WHy did I just waste these last 5 seconds of my life? I need to get outside.

 

[Brazilian_Blues_Boy]

If you guys took the time to read d9's stuff, and UNDERSTAND it, FOR REAL, you'd see that they take you to a whole new level.
And you wouldn't waste your time with uninterested chicks.

If you still doubt it, it was Blitz that came here with the link... and he knew the Speed Seduction sh!t.

It's like being freed from the Matrix... once you're REALLY FREED, you can never go back.

BBB

 

[jakethasnake]

BBB,

Kindly give the link again. I should check this shyt out and decide for myself.

 

[Eric Smith]

They mistakenly cut your self-esteem because you know that she might not be interested in you

I do believe that Destini9 makes it seem like a lot of people will be helpless but that is the case. There are just going to be some girls that won't give a damn about you, no matter how GQ you are, no matter how interesting you are, or no matter how tight your game is. I do believe in the polar opposite attraction that she said. I know a lot of people want to live in the anomaly of being the average man laying hot chicks but they are just that - anomalies. If you want the grade A tail, you got to work out, dress nice (being metro will get you crap from average looking girls, most attractive girls will like you for it because they too put a lot of effort into themselves), and be a dynamic person. Thats it.

Pook is more of a Tony RObbins self-improvement type. He even admits he doesnt do approaches.

Yes. Pook's stuff is very interesting. I am very much interested in self improvement. Not just for myself but to gain a wealth of knowledge. Although it seems like Tony Robbins is a miracle man if he can do what he did to Jack Black in Shallow Hal