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I'm a Contract worker, getting mixed signals... help!

scorpio08

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Yes I do contract work. My area I specialize in is more/less freelance as I have a somewhat rare talent set. I am a carpenter, but not a ordinary handyman. I do customized work, all though contracts, some long term some short term.

about a week and a half ago I meet and start doing work for a women who is into business, but also seems to be well balanced in all areas and is intelligent and good looking.

I'm notorious for business being business and all other interactions between 2 people when work related is nothing but sales and money.

This time is different. I'm either being blinded by a form of lust, or confused because of work. Also I think she maybe having the same thoughts. Now I want to date her.

The confusion starts here. We start of as a ordinary contract/work. This quickly escalates into us talking a bit and myself being over later than normal if it was "just" work. She has a 2 year old, I am cool with. I want kids sometime hopefully in the next 1 - 5 years anyway. This is more of a get to know you thing with a kid running around. Putting any moves on her would of been inapproiate.

Next chance I had 2 days later, but was also working. We had a prolong eye contact... Opportunity to make a move and boom, damn phone!

3rd chance, she seemed to have went out of her way to cancel stuff on her schedule which would of been kinda of important to keep in order to allow me to do some needless work. Then she went off road in bad weather and never made it, running 4 hours late.

Now I just talk to her and she is coming up with more work related stuff, some of the items she wants done are fairly trivial and some is not. Even in the face of the cost most people would say no in some of the cases but she wants it done anyway. I know she is business smart from us discussing the nature of her work. She knows some of the things she has me doing may very well be a waste of cash but we do it anyway.

top of it off she made physical contact a couple of times, always appeared as it was unintentional. She has also made sure to keep her space at all other times. As in walking by me dozens of times then once in a while when it was obvious when there was a better route to get by per say.

Anyway I'm trying to read this mixed bag of tricks. I have indirectly hinted at us going out. I have no issue at being direct and say lets go get dinner. But with work being tied into the picture I'm stumbling. If I'm wrong. I loose the job. Like everyone else I need work too. She has potential to generate a lot of work, maybe a few months worth next year. I don't want to be wrong and loose the job.

I know I hit a soft spot on the kid note. Which is good. She also goes out of her way to try and show off how nice and a good person she is. I know in 2 days from now, I can get her outside and alone for about 10 minutes. This will be my last opportunity I can think of to get past the the worker/friend/business barrier and goto relationship/business model. Beyond this without any ideas I have the impression I'll have to quit working for her ask her for dinner, and possibly loose my job and not get the date. OR I continue working for her and never get the date.

Any advice anyone on this please? Does anyone understand this mixed bag of tricks?

Thanks

Kevin
 

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That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

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She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Don't date with that you work with or are affllitated with your work. There's too much potential for a cluster ****. It something goes wrong, you can have you up on sexual harrassment charges or worse.

Don't date women with kids. Here's the 13 reasons as to why why,http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=97081
 

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Wait 'till the job is over and done. Strictly business 'till then. No flirting, no nothing.

Then, wait a few weeks or so, wait for the checks to clear -----then do your thing.

Kids/no kids --- that's how you differentiate between a FB and a "real deal." But don't tell HER that.

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FB =) I have had one for a while since February of this year actually. We both know that all it is. I was just talking to her and she invited me over tomorrow night if I want to go.

Back on topic. If she has a kid who is 1,2,3 years old I have no issue at all. Its not about the cash. I couldn't careless. I've been with enough women that... That well I guess survival of the genes are starting play a role in my life Versus running around picking up everyone I can.

Of course I'd like to do both. But hey. Guess I ran into someone who does seem ideal for me, this is a first time in a long time. Thus my plea for help.


Thanks guys.
 

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scorpio08 said:
FB =) I have had one for a while since February of this year actually. We both know that all it is. I was just talking to her and she invited me over tomorrow night if I want to go.

Back on topic. If she has a kid who is 1,2,3 years old I have no issue at all. Its not about the cash. I couldn't careless. I've been with enough women that... That well I guess survival of the genes are starting play a role in my life Versus running around picking up everyone I can.

Of course I'd like to do both. But hey. Guess I ran into someone who does seem ideal for me, this is a first time in a long time. Thus my plea for help.


Thanks guys.
Are you prepared to deal with the "baby daddy," drama. The flakeyness do to her being "unable to schedule," a babysitter. Only being able to come over aftere the kid is asleep. Eventually spending money on not two, but three individuals.

Also keep in mind if you do hook up with this chick and it becomes serious, she has the option of suing you for child support. Certain states like WA have legislation on the books that say if a guy lives with a chick for like I think it is 180 days, she can sue him for child support. Believe me, effing with chicks with child is more trouble then it's worth. I strongly advice you focus on women with the least amount of baggage.
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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since my game has been improving I understand the importance of sending mixed signals...what you should do is test her in a very simple way

when standing close look directly at her eyes
and touch her somewhere fairly nuetral...shoulder, hand, back for a little bit longer than needed while continuously holding eye contact

judge her reaction

if she reacts positively then don't second guess and flirt a little / ask her out

if negative then you have an asnwer without any risk

good luck
 

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Maximus Rex said:
Don't date with that you work with or are affllitated with your work. There's too much potential for a cluster ****. It something goes wrong, you can have you up on sexual harrassment charges or worse.

Don't date women with kids. Here's the 13 reasons as to why why,http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=97081

I don't agree with any of that. If he likes the girl, why not go ahead? No one is getting married here, they are just having fun.

In case it doesn't work out, they can always be respectful to each other at work. Everyone's an adult.
 

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aliasguy said:
-Wait 'till the job is over and done. Strictly business 'till then. No flirting, no nothing.
:yes: Definitely wait, however I'd still do some very light flirting without acting upon it in order to keep her interested. I would completely stop if it was negatively impacting your work. Hopefully your contract is not too long where she decides to move on, if so there's always other fish.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
I don't agree with any of that. If he likes the girl, why not go ahead? No one is getting married here, they are just having fun.

In case it doesn't work out, they can always be respectful to each other at work. Everyone's an adult.
Have you ever dated anyone at work and not have it work out?
 

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I apprieciate all the opinions and feedback I am receiving both the positive and negative.

I do need to clearify a little bit. This has nothing todo with game, or approach technic's etc. I have no issue with approaching/talking to people. Also the thought of drama or being sued or someone having a kid is okay. Children happen lol.

The target problem where I wanted opinions is because this is a work related which to me seems a bit special, There is rules and ethics that are not there to obide by in the wild, but do exist in a work enviroment.

Socializing, flirting and so on is not a problem. Getting through the red tape was/is the problem.

I've decided to leave it be for now. Treat work as work and let her make a move I'll still be whitty and use humour. See where things go. I should be seeing her and doing some things with her in the coming few days. With some luck she'll make a clear approach. If not I'll be extremely forward after the cheques are cashed in 2 - 3 weeks from now.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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