"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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If you used to be AFC

Infern0

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What was the turning point for you?

I was born and bred AFC, had a real low self esteem mother who drilled into me to be mr nice guy, put women on pedestal etc.

In my case it took a BPD getting her claws into me and shaking me to within an inch of my life to realise the deal.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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TheMonkeyKing

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I was pretty alpha in my teens and early twenties. Then I thought a LTR was the way to go; obviously being naive, thinking that no one would ever screw me over. I was too nice. And still am in some ways, but I'm learning.

Turning point was a couple of years ago when a depressive recluse even dumped me. Haa!

Then I started taking some theories and concepts more seriously. And gradually life is getting easier again. Reliance on the self and a few close friends and family is about all we can do,

By this time next year, I will be largely debt free and physically and mentally reconditioned to have the women I want chasing me again. It's a long road. But it's worth it.
 

dustmuffin

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My turning point was being dumped from a one year relationship. Before that I was unemployed for two years, my brother died, I lost my job of 20 years and I got a divorce. My son hasn't been making proper choices so I sent him to military school.

I am suffering from depression and need to lose about 30 pounds. I am trying to claw my way back.
 

OlympicTim

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Turning point was when I was lead on by a girl for 3 years only to have my buddy hook up with her after talking to her for 2 days.
 

Infern0

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OlympicTim said:
Turning point was when I was lead on by a girl for 3 years only to have my buddy hook up with her after talking to her for 2 days.
damn son, sorry to hear about that one.

Hope the "buddy" is gone from your life too though, that's one thing we dont need to do as men is go after the girls our friends like
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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GS750

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the turning point for me (mid 20's) was when I had a thing for a girl but in my mind she wanted nothing to do with me. Later on I found out she had a crush on me and was waiting for me to make the first move. It was too late though, she moved out of state for grad school, never saw her again. From then on I decided I was going to make my intentions known. No regrets. Better to be rejected than to not try at all.
 

Dhoulmagus

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I got owned and learned from my mistakes, the mistakes of others, and the success of others. I also lived in a fraternity house and a party house afterwards, so I was exposed to women behavior a lot.
 

skinnyguy

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It took me living on my own, not listening to my parents about women, crafting my own career and having success, and not pedestalizing puss.
 

European-DJ

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Turning point was that I wanted to get my first GF back after a breakup, I found the book of pook by coincidence, which sent me to sosuave - my perspective on dating and women completely changed from there...
 

amazingswayze

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i got sh!tted on by girls i had major crushes for. my frustrations sent me here. i am better off for that.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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